I dissagree on that whole hope = belife thing. I can hope to win the lottery with out beliveing that such a thing would happen.
Hope and belife are just not the same at all. Belife is hold to something being true, with or without evidance of it's validity. Hope is to want something, wheter or not it is likely that you desired hope materialises is irrelevent to it. Do you then say that only religous belifes are actual belifes? Unless you have done the experiments to show that the sun will rise tomorrow morning, you are in fact engaged in a belife, if you say that the sun will rise. On 18 May, 13:23, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > when i stated that 'the claims of others hold no merit' i was > referring to their beliefs, not to scientifically proven knowledge. > > i consider belief and hope to be similar because that are both based > on the same amount of knowledge, zero....u are right, they are not > identical, but in some ways they are very much the same imo. > > On May 18, 8:04 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Yet you belive in God? Then you must claim to have experianced God? > > > Honestly though I think you are wrong, I recon you hold one or two > > belifes that you have no first hand experiance of. > > > It is also interesting that you say the words or claims of others hold > > no merit for you. > > > Can I assume from this then, that every single piece of scientific > > knowledge you have comes not from what you have been taught but from > > your self performing experiments? Hold on there though, from what > > soruce did you gain the knowledge required to be able to perform such > > experiments? > > > No I'm afriad I'm gonna have to call you out on your claim there my > > freind. > > > I see no link between belife and hope? Can you explain that one. > > > On 18 May, 12:54, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > yes...it may be delusional but i would prefer to ask rather than state > > > for the sake of politeness. > > > > i dont believe in anything. if i have not experienced it, the words or > > > claims of others hold no merit for me. knowledge supercedes belief. > > > belief can be compared with hope, and i am not a gambler. > > > > On May 18, 7:42 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > There is no maybe about it. > > > > > Belive in something without proof, that's delusional isnt it? > > > > > I belive as you do. Ikonkar and all that. I would ask though where > > > > do such belifes come from for yourself? > > > > > On 18 May, 12:21, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > you say you are a man of 'god' but then say that you recognize that > > > > > this may be a delusional belief....just wondering, do you consider > > > > > your belief in 'god' delusional or??? > > > > > > imo, we are all part of 'god' as each one of us have a spirit. some > > > > > hide from it, others are scared of it, and others have the desire to > > > > > be one with it, polish it, and consequently learn from it. where would > > > > > you say u fit in? > > > > > > On May 18, 6:16 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Now this is strange, and sorta uncomfatable. > > > > > > > I am a man of God, a scientist, philosopher and student of humanity. > > > > > > Thus far my lifes experiance and intectual persuits have shown me > > > > > > that > > > > > > humanity has sown seeds far and wide, seeds of indivduality and > > > > > > seeds > > > > > > of delusion. That is to see all of us, it seems have our > > > > > > delusioninal > > > > > > belifes. You woner why you have not yet managed to talk to a > > > > > > visiter > > > > > > of heaven or hell, yet I can't help but wonder if you have also > > > > > > talked > > > > > > to anybody who's reincarnation you have absolute proof of? > > > > > > > I realise that weeall have this need, and so just would not ever > > > > > > lampoon another because of his beliefes. What does budism teach > > > > > > about > > > > > > such behaviour I wonder? > > > > > > > On 18 May, 05:34, Charlie43 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On May 17, 9:37 pm, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > i think one must consider the difference between imagination and > > > > > > > > inspiration. one is developed, the other realized. > > > > > > > > > the original feeling that led to a series of OBE's happened as > > > > > > > > i was > > > > > > > > lying in bed with eyes closed, just before sleep. i started to > > > > > > > > get the > > > > > > > > sensation of being drawn out of my body, like a strong magnetic > > > > > > > > pulling, and it had nothing to do with imagination. i was scared > > > > > > > > because i felt my spirit was going to leave my body, and i did > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > want an evil spirit to enter while i was gone, so i resisted. i > > > > > > > > wanted > > > > > > > > to go, but kept shutting the attraction down out of fear. one > > > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > while experiencing this pulling i said, 'mr devil, im going on a > > > > > > > > journey and u aint allowed into this body while im gone', then i > > > > > > > > released my spirit and i have never been the same since... > > > > > > > > > On May 16, 3:29 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "desperatly need to beleive" > > > > > > > > > > That's the key to understanding all spiritual beliefs. > > > > > > > > > The 'fear of the unknown' is the root of the 'fear of death'. > > > > > > > > > For the common man (99.99%) the imagination is the only > > > > > > > > > relief. For > > > > > > > > > the weak imagination, there are plenty of dogmas to ascribe > > > > > > > > > to for the > > > > > > > > > comfort needed. Imagining a dogma to be true is good enough > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > holding the 'fear' at bay. > > > > > > > > > > An eternal Life without the elements of Life is a joke. It's a > > > > > > > > > ridiculous fabrication of the imagination. > > > > > > > > > There is absolutely no substance to the idea. Every belief of > > > > > > > > > an after > > > > > > > > > Life has absolutely no other source of verification than the > > > > > > > > > human > > > > > > > > > 'living' mind's imagination. > > > > > > > > > Everything spiritual has the Life as a reference point. All > > > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > mystical mediums can gain the knowledge, they claim comes > > > > > > > > > from the > > > > > > > > > dead, from the collective intelligence of mankind. > > > > > > > > > The collective intelligence is the only thing 'spiritual' > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > mankind. > > > > > > > > > > You are not alone, but we are very few who can face the > > > > > > > > > 'fear'. > > > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > > > On May 16, 4:24 am, buddahspath <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > just pondering a thought after a tramatic funeral and > > > > > > > > > > evening of > > > > > > > > > > emotional arguments between me[AGNOSTIC PHILOSIPHER] and my > > > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > fundementalist christians. who desperatly need to beleive > > > > > > > > > > what they > > > > > > > > > > have taught to believe is reality.i beleve to be irrational > > > > > > > > > > brainwashing! i am well aware that i have no comforting > > > > > > > > > > fairy tales of > > > > > > > > > > wonderful afterlife.i seriously doubt that a eternal life > > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > interestig challenges would be a tortureous hell! but maybe > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > could be some sort of nirvanic stages to grow as > > > > > > > > > > individuals and > > > > > > > > > > universe? but i guess as long my brain,heart,lungs and > > > > > > > > > > nervous system > > > > > > > > > > cooperate i journey through my own dream,fantasies and > > > > > > > > > > delusions of my > > > > > > > > > > imagination! doubt that i am the only souljourner on the > > > > > > > > > > road less > > > > > > > > > > travelled!- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > Interesting conversation. I have walked the 8-folded path for > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > years, and am pleased with what the Enlightened One has to offer > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > me. I was raised in a Christian home, and realized early on how > > > > > > > pathetic that was. I have a questioning mind, which has lead me > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > Buddhism. I find the principles of Buddhism to be both exact and > > > > > > > based on scientific explanation. I have often wanted to talk to > > > > > > > someone who has been to Heaven - or Hell - to see what their > > > > > > > experiences were. So far, I have had no takers. 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