;-^)
On May 18, 11:18 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
> That is what I thought you where doing. Again though, and really just
> to highlight that sweeping statment rarely stand up to scrutiny, I am
> a man of God, but I give no mind space to hoping that my belife is
> correct.
>
> I belive in God and can hardly stop such a belife now. That is the
> sum of it, there is no hope involved anywhere.
>
> If I am wrong I am wrong, and if I am correct then I am correct.
>
> On 18 May, 16:08, e_space <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > u may have some knowledge of it, many dont, and many hope that their
> > belief is right ;-^) ...i was relating the word 'hope' in the
> > connotation of religious belief and i dont think we can relate that to
> > other uses of the word...if u DO have 'god'-knowledge, hope is a word
> > that u will seldom use imo...
>
> > On May 18, 10:56 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Again though I can't help feeling that you are wrong here.
>
> > > One can of course have hope and knowledge. I hope that my son does
> > > well in his first exams today, but having seen the work that he has
> > > put in I can claim a dubious knowldge that he will do well.
>
> > > I hope for peace and goodwill amongst all mankind and an end to the
> > > differances between us cuasing any sort of grief. I know that this
> > > will not happen within my life time.
>
> > > Hope does not nesciarly come from a place deviod of knowledge, indeed
> > > my belife in God comes from personal, subjective evidance, so I can
> > > again claim some kernal of knowledge for it.
>
> > > That is not to deny both can be involed with each other, but they are
> > > really seperate things.
>
> > > On 18 May, 14:05, e_space <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > youre right...they are not identical...but because both exist without
> > > > knowledge, they have similarities. many who believe in 'god', in
> > > > accordance to the religious teachings that they have either inherited
> > > > or adopted, hope they have put all of their eggs in the right basket,
> > > > but in reality, they do not know. when you say 'hope is to want
> > > > something' you could add that they hope their belief comes true...so
> > > > although they may be different, they coexist with each other quite
> > > > comfortably imo
>
> > > > On May 18, 8:51 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > I dissagree on that whole hope = belife thing.
>
> > > > > I can hope to win the lottery with out beliveing that such a thing
> > > > > would happen.
>
> > > > > Hope and belife are just not the same at all. Belife is hold to
> > > > > something being true, with or without evidance of it's validity. Hope
> > > > > is to want something, wheter or not it is likely that you desired hope
> > > > > materialises is irrelevent to it.
>
> > > > > Do you then say that only religous belifes are actual belifes? Unless
> > > > > you have done the experiments to show that the sun will rise tomorrow
> > > > > morning, you are in fact engaged in a belife, if you say that the sun
> > > > > will rise.
>
> > > > > On 18 May, 13:23, e_space <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > when i stated that 'the claims of others hold no merit' i was
> > > > > > referring to their beliefs, not to scientifically proven knowledge.
>
> > > > > > i consider belief and hope to be similar because that are both based
> > > > > > on the same amount of knowledge, zero....u are right, they are not
> > > > > > identical, but in some ways they are very much the same imo.
>
> > > > > > On May 18, 8:04 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Yet you belive in God? Then you must claim to have experianced
> > > > > > > God?
>
> > > > > > > Honestly though I think you are wrong, I recon you hold one or two
> > > > > > > belifes that you have no first hand experiance of.
>
> > > > > > > It is also interesting that you say the words or claims of others
> > > > > > > hold
> > > > > > > no merit for you.
>
> > > > > > > Can I assume from this then, that every single piece of scientific
> > > > > > > knowledge you have comes not from what you have been taught but
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > your self performing experiments? Hold on there though, from what
> > > > > > > soruce did you gain the knowledge required to be able to perform
> > > > > > > such
> > > > > > > experiments?
>
> > > > > > > No I'm afriad I'm gonna have to call you out on your claim there
> > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > freind.
>
> > > > > > > I see no link between belife and hope? Can you explain that one.
>
> > > > > > > On 18 May, 12:54, e_space <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > yes...it may be delusional but i would prefer to ask rather
> > > > > > > > than state
> > > > > > > > for the sake of politeness.
>
> > > > > > > > i dont believe in anything. if i have not experienced it, the
> > > > > > > > words or
> > > > > > > > claims of others hold no merit for me. knowledge supercedes
> > > > > > > > belief.
> > > > > > > > belief can be compared with hope, and i am not a gambler.
>
> > > > > > > > On May 18, 7:42 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > There is no maybe about it.
>
> > > > > > > > > Belive in something without proof, that's delusional isnt it?
>
> > > > > > > > > I belive as you do. Ikonkar and all that. I would ask
> > > > > > > > > though where
> > > > > > > > > do such belifes come from for yourself?
>
> > > > > > > > > On 18 May, 12:21, e_space <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > you say you are a man of 'god' but then say that you
> > > > > > > > > > recognize that
> > > > > > > > > > this may be a delusional belief....just wondering, do you
> > > > > > > > > > consider
> > > > > > > > > > your belief in 'god' delusional or???
>
> > > > > > > > > > imo, we are all part of 'god' as each one of us have a
> > > > > > > > > > spirit. some
> > > > > > > > > > hide from it, others are scared of it, and others have the
> > > > > > > > > > desire to
> > > > > > > > > > be one with it, polish it, and consequently learn from it.
> > > > > > > > > > where would
> > > > > > > > > > you say u fit in?
>
> > > > > > > > > > On May 18, 6:16 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Now this is strange, and sorta uncomfatable.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > I am a man of God, a scientist, philosopher and student
> > > > > > > > > > > of humanity.
> > > > > > > > > > > Thus far my lifes experiance and intectual persuits have
> > > > > > > > > > > shown me that
> > > > > > > > > > > humanity has sown seeds far and wide, seeds of
> > > > > > > > > > > indivduality and seeds
> > > > > > > > > > > of delusion. That is to see all of us, it seems have our
> > > > > > > > > > > delusioninal
> > > > > > > > > > > belifes. You woner why you have not yet managed to talk
> > > > > > > > > > > to a visiter
> > > > > > > > > > > of heaven or hell, yet I can't help but wonder if you
> > > > > > > > > > > have also talked
> > > > > > > > > > > to anybody who's reincarnation you have absolute proof of?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > I realise that weeall have this need, and so just would
> > > > > > > > > > > not ever
> > > > > > > > > > > lampoon another because of his beliefes. What does
> > > > > > > > > > > budism teach about
> > > > > > > > > > > such behaviour I wonder?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On 18 May, 05:34, Charlie43 <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > On May 17, 9:37 pm, e_space <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > i think one must consider the difference between
> > > > > > > > > > > > > imagination and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > inspiration. one is developed, the other realized.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the original feeling that led to a series of OBE's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > happened as i was
> > > > > > > > > > > > > lying in bed with eyes closed, just before sleep. i
> > > > > > > > > > > > > started to get the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > sensation of being drawn out of my body, like a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > strong magnetic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > pulling, and it had nothing to do with imagination. i
> > > > > > > > > > > > > was scared
> > > > > > > > > > > > > because i felt my spirit was going to leave my body,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and i did not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > want an evil spirit to enter while i was gone, so i
> > > > > > > > > > > > > resisted. i wanted
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to go, but kept shutting the attraction down out of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > fear. one day
> > > > > > > > > > > > > while experiencing this pulling i said, 'mr devil, im
> > > > > > > > > > > > > going on a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > journey and u aint allowed into this body while im
> > > > > > > > > > > > > gone', then i
> > > > > > > > > > > > > released my spirit and i have never been the same
> > > > > > > > > > > > > since...
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 16, 3:29 pm, Tinker <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "desperatly need to beleive"
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's the key to understanding all spiritual
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > beliefs.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 'fear of the unknown' is the root of the 'fear
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of death'.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the common man (99.99%) the imagination is the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > only relief. For
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the weak imagination, there are plenty of dogmas to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ascribe to for the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > comfort needed. Imagining a dogma to be true is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > good enough for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > holding the 'fear' at bay.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > An eternal Life without the elements of Life is a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > joke. It's a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ridiculous fabrication of the imagination.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is absolutely no substance to the idea. Every
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > belief of an after
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Life has absolutely no other source of verification
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > than the human
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'living' mind's imagination.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everything spiritual has the Life as a reference
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > point. All of the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mystical mediums can gain the knowledge, they claim
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes from the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dead, from the collective intelligence of mankind.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The collective intelligence is the only thing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'spiritual' about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mankind.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are not alone, but we are very few who can face
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 'fear'.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > peace & Love
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 16, 4:24 am, buddahspath
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just pondering a thought after a tramatic funeral
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and evening of
>
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