"... both exist without knowledge" - E-S For the record, intuition is one form of knowledge
On May 18, 6:05 am, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > youre right...they are not identical...but because both exist without > knowledge, they have similarities. many who believe in 'god', in > accordance to the religious teachings that they have either inherited > or adopted, hope they have put all of their eggs in the right basket, > but in reality, they do not know. when you say 'hope is to want > something' you could add that they hope their belief comes true...so > although they may be different, they coexist with each other quite > comfortably imo > > On May 18, 8:51 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I dissagree on that whole hope = belife thing. > > > I can hope to win the lottery with out beliveing that such a thing > > would happen. > > > Hope and belife are just not the same at all. Belife is hold to > > something being true, with or without evidance of it's validity. Hope > > is to want something, wheter or not it is likely that you desired hope > > materialises is irrelevent to it. > > > Do you then say that only religous belifes are actual belifes? Unless > > you have done the experiments to show that the sun will rise tomorrow > > morning, you are in fact engaged in a belife, if you say that the sun > > will rise. > > > On 18 May, 13:23, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > when i stated that 'the claims of others hold no merit' i was > > > referring to their beliefs, not to scientifically proven knowledge. > > > > i consider belief and hope to be similar because that are both based > > > on the same amount of knowledge, zero....u are right, they are not > > > identical, but in some ways they are very much the same imo. > > > > On May 18, 8:04 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Yet you belive in God? Then you must claim to have experianced God? > > > > > Honestly though I think you are wrong, I recon you hold one or two > > > > belifes that you have no first hand experiance of. > > > > > It is also interesting that you say the words or claims of others hold > > > > no merit for you. > > > > > Can I assume from this then, that every single piece of scientific > > > > knowledge you have comes not from what you have been taught but from > > > > your self performing experiments? Hold on there though, from what > > > > soruce did you gain the knowledge required to be able to perform such > > > > experiments? > > > > > No I'm afriad I'm gonna have to call you out on your claim there my > > > > freind. > > > > > I see no link between belife and hope? Can you explain that one. > > > > > On 18 May, 12:54, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > yes...it may be delusional but i would prefer to ask rather than state > > > > > for the sake of politeness. > > > > > > i dont believe in anything. if i have not experienced it, the words or > > > > > claims of others hold no merit for me. knowledge supercedes belief. > > > > > belief can be compared with hope, and i am not a gambler. > > > > > > On May 18, 7:42 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > There is no maybe about it. > > > > > > > Belive in something without proof, that's delusional isnt it? > > > > > > > I belive as you do. Ikonkar and all that. I would ask though where > > > > > > do such belifes come from for yourself? > > > > > > > On 18 May, 12:21, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > you say you are a man of 'god' but then say that you recognize > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > this may be a delusional belief....just wondering, do you consider > > > > > > > your belief in 'god' delusional or??? > > > > > > > > imo, we are all part of 'god' as each one of us have a spirit. > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > hide from it, others are scared of it, and others have the desire > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > be one with it, polish it, and consequently learn from it. where > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > you say u fit in? > > > > > > > > On May 18, 6:16 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Now this is strange, and sorta uncomfatable. > > > > > > > > > I am a man of God, a scientist, philosopher and student of > > > > > > > > humanity. > > > > > > > > Thus far my lifes experiance and intectual persuits have shown > > > > > > > > me that > > > > > > > > humanity has sown seeds far and wide, seeds of indivduality and > > > > > > > > seeds > > > > > > > > of delusion. That is to see all of us, it seems have our > > > > > > > > delusioninal > > > > > > > > belifes. You woner why you have not yet managed to talk to a > > > > > > > > visiter > > > > > > > > of heaven or hell, yet I can't help but wonder if you have also > > > > > > > > talked > > > > > > > > to anybody who's reincarnation you have absolute proof of? > > > > > > > > > I realise that weeall have this need, and so just would not ever > > > > > > > > lampoon another because of his beliefes. What does budism > > > > > > > > teach about > > > > > > > > such behaviour I wonder? > > > > > > > > > On 18 May, 05:34, Charlie43 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On May 17, 9:37 pm, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > i think one must consider the difference between > > > > > > > > > > imagination and > > > > > > > > > > inspiration. one is developed, the other realized. > > > > > > > > > > > the original feeling that led to a series of OBE's happened > > > > > > > > > > as i was > > > > > > > > > > lying in bed with eyes closed, just before sleep. i started > > > > > > > > > > to get the > > > > > > > > > > sensation of being drawn out of my body, like a strong > > > > > > > > > > magnetic > > > > > > > > > > pulling, and it had nothing to do with imagination. i was > > > > > > > > > > scared > > > > > > > > > > because i felt my spirit was going to leave my body, and i > > > > > > > > > > did not > > > > > > > > > > want an evil spirit to enter while i was gone, so i > > > > > > > > > > resisted. i wanted > > > > > > > > > > to go, but kept shutting the attraction down out of fear. > > > > > > > > > > one day > > > > > > > > > > while experiencing this pulling i said, 'mr devil, im going > > > > > > > > > > on a > > > > > > > > > > journey and u aint allowed into this body while im gone', > > > > > > > > > > then i > > > > > > > > > > released my spirit and i have never been the same since... > > > > > > > > > > > On May 16, 3:29 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > "desperatly need to beleive" > > > > > > > > > > > > That's the key to understanding all spiritual beliefs. > > > > > > > > > > > The 'fear of the unknown' is the root of the 'fear of > > > > > > > > > > > death'. > > > > > > > > > > > For the common man (99.99%) the imagination is the only > > > > > > > > > > > relief. For > > > > > > > > > > > the weak imagination, there are plenty of dogmas to > > > > > > > > > > > ascribe to for the > > > > > > > > > > > comfort needed. Imagining a dogma to be true is good > > > > > > > > > > > enough for > > > > > > > > > > > holding the 'fear' at bay. > > > > > > > > > > > > An eternal Life without the elements of Life is a joke. > > > > > > > > > > > It's a > > > > > > > > > > > ridiculous fabrication of the imagination. > > > > > > > > > > > There is absolutely no substance to the idea. Every > > > > > > > > > > > belief of an after > > > > > > > > > > > Life has absolutely no other source of verification than > > > > > > > > > > > the human > > > > > > > > > > > 'living' mind's imagination. > > > > > > > > > > > Everything spiritual has the Life as a reference point. > > > > > > > > > > > All of the > > > > > > > > > > > mystical mediums can gain the knowledge, they claim comes > > > > > > > > > > > from the > > > > > > > > > > > dead, from the collective intelligence of mankind. > > > > > > > > > > > The collective intelligence is the only thing 'spiritual' > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > mankind. > > > > > > > > > > > > You are not alone, but we are very few who can face the > > > > > > > > > > > 'fear'. > > > > > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 16, 4:24 am, buddahspath <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > just pondering a thought after a tramatic funeral and > > > > > > > > > > > > evening of > > > > > > > > > > > > emotional arguments between me[AGNOSTIC PHILOSIPHER] > > > > > > > > > > > > and my family > > > > > > > > > > > > fundementalist christians. who desperatly need to > > > > > > > > > > > > beleive what they > > > > > > > > > > > > have taught to believe is reality.i beleve to be > > > > > > > > > > > > irrational > > > > > > > > > > > > brainwashing! i am well aware that i have no comforting > > > > > > > > > > > > fairy tales of > > > > > > > > > > > > wonderful afterlife.i seriously doubt that a eternal > > > > > > > > > > > > life with no > > > > > > > > > > > > interestig challenges would be a tortureous hell! but > > > > > > > > > > > > maybe there > > > > > > > > > > > > could be some sort of nirvanic stages to grow as > > > > > > > > > > > > individuals and > > > > > > > > > > > > universe? but i guess as long my brain,heart,lungs and > > > > > > > > > > > > nervous system > > > > > > > > > > > > cooperate i journey through my own dream,fantasies and > > > > > > > > > > > > delusions of my > > > > > > > > > > > > imagination! doubt that i am the only souljourner on > > > > > > > > > > > > the road less > > > > > > > > > > > > travelled!- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > Interesting conversation. I have walked the 8-folded path > > > > > > > > > for many > > > > > > > > > years, and am pleased with what the Enlightened One has to > > > > > > > > > offer to > > > > > > > > > me. I was raised in a Christian home, and realized early on > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > pathetic that was. I have a questioning mind, which has lead > > > > > > > > > me to > > > > > > > > > Buddhism. I find the principles of Buddhism to be both exact > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > based on scientific explanation. I have often wanted to talk > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > someone who has been to Heaven - or Hell - to see what their > > > > > > > > > experiences were. So far, I have had no takers. 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