That is what I thought you where doing. Again though, and really just to highlight that sweeping statment rarely stand up to scrutiny, I am a man of God, but I give no mind space to hoping that my belife is correct.
I belive in God and can hardly stop such a belife now. That is the sum of it, there is no hope involved anywhere. If I am wrong I am wrong, and if I am correct then I am correct. On 18 May, 16:08, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > u may have some knowledge of it, many dont, and many hope that their > belief is right ;-^) ...i was relating the word 'hope' in the > connotation of religious belief and i dont think we can relate that to > other uses of the word...if u DO have 'god'-knowledge, hope is a word > that u will seldom use imo... > > On May 18, 10:56 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Again though I can't help feeling that you are wrong here. > > > One can of course have hope and knowledge. I hope that my son does > > well in his first exams today, but having seen the work that he has > > put in I can claim a dubious knowldge that he will do well. > > > I hope for peace and goodwill amongst all mankind and an end to the > > differances between us cuasing any sort of grief. I know that this > > will not happen within my life time. > > > Hope does not nesciarly come from a place deviod of knowledge, indeed > > my belife in God comes from personal, subjective evidance, so I can > > again claim some kernal of knowledge for it. > > > That is not to deny both can be involed with each other, but they are > > really seperate things. > > > On 18 May, 14:05, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > youre right...they are not identical...but because both exist without > > > knowledge, they have similarities. many who believe in 'god', in > > > accordance to the religious teachings that they have either inherited > > > or adopted, hope they have put all of their eggs in the right basket, > > > but in reality, they do not know. when you say 'hope is to want > > > something' you could add that they hope their belief comes true...so > > > although they may be different, they coexist with each other quite > > > comfortably imo > > > > On May 18, 8:51 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I dissagree on that whole hope = belife thing. > > > > > I can hope to win the lottery with out beliveing that such a thing > > > > would happen. > > > > > Hope and belife are just not the same at all. Belife is hold to > > > > something being true, with or without evidance of it's validity. Hope > > > > is to want something, wheter or not it is likely that you desired hope > > > > materialises is irrelevent to it. > > > > > Do you then say that only religous belifes are actual belifes? Unless > > > > you have done the experiments to show that the sun will rise tomorrow > > > > morning, you are in fact engaged in a belife, if you say that the sun > > > > will rise. > > > > > On 18 May, 13:23, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > when i stated that 'the claims of others hold no merit' i was > > > > > referring to their beliefs, not to scientifically proven knowledge. > > > > > > i consider belief and hope to be similar because that are both based > > > > > on the same amount of knowledge, zero....u are right, they are not > > > > > identical, but in some ways they are very much the same imo. > > > > > > On May 18, 8:04 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Yet you belive in God? Then you must claim to have experianced God? > > > > > > > Honestly though I think you are wrong, I recon you hold one or two > > > > > > belifes that you have no first hand experiance of. > > > > > > > It is also interesting that you say the words or claims of others > > > > > > hold > > > > > > no merit for you. > > > > > > > Can I assume from this then, that every single piece of scientific > > > > > > knowledge you have comes not from what you have been taught but from > > > > > > your self performing experiments? Hold on there though, from what > > > > > > soruce did you gain the knowledge required to be able to perform > > > > > > such > > > > > > experiments? > > > > > > > No I'm afriad I'm gonna have to call you out on your claim there my > > > > > > freind. > > > > > > > I see no link between belife and hope? Can you explain that one. > > > > > > > On 18 May, 12:54, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > yes...it may be delusional but i would prefer to ask rather than > > > > > > > state > > > > > > > for the sake of politeness. > > > > > > > > i dont believe in anything. if i have not experienced it, the > > > > > > > words or > > > > > > > claims of others hold no merit for me. knowledge supercedes > > > > > > > belief. > > > > > > > belief can be compared with hope, and i am not a gambler. > > > > > > > > On May 18, 7:42 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > There is no maybe about it. > > > > > > > > > Belive in something without proof, that's delusional isnt it? > > > > > > > > > I belive as you do. Ikonkar and all that. I would ask though > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > do such belifes come from for yourself? > > > > > > > > > On 18 May, 12:21, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > you say you are a man of 'god' but then say that you > > > > > > > > > recognize that > > > > > > > > > this may be a delusional belief....just wondering, do you > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > your belief in 'god' delusional or??? > > > > > > > > > > imo, we are all part of 'god' as each one of us have a > > > > > > > > > spirit. some > > > > > > > > > hide from it, others are scared of it, and others have the > > > > > > > > > desire to > > > > > > > > > be one with it, polish it, and consequently learn from it. > > > > > > > > > where would > > > > > > > > > you say u fit in? > > > > > > > > > > On May 18, 6:16 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Now this is strange, and sorta uncomfatable. > > > > > > > > > > > I am a man of God, a scientist, philosopher and student of > > > > > > > > > > humanity. > > > > > > > > > > Thus far my lifes experiance and intectual persuits have > > > > > > > > > > shown me that > > > > > > > > > > humanity has sown seeds far and wide, seeds of indivduality > > > > > > > > > > and seeds > > > > > > > > > > of delusion. That is to see all of us, it seems have our > > > > > > > > > > delusioninal > > > > > > > > > > belifes. You woner why you have not yet managed to talk to > > > > > > > > > > a visiter > > > > > > > > > > of heaven or hell, yet I can't help but wonder if you have > > > > > > > > > > also talked > > > > > > > > > > to anybody who's reincarnation you have absolute proof of? > > > > > > > > > > > I realise that weeall have this need, and so just would not > > > > > > > > > > ever > > > > > > > > > > lampoon another because of his beliefes. What does budism > > > > > > > > > > teach about > > > > > > > > > > such behaviour I wonder? > > > > > > > > > > > On 18 May, 05:34, Charlie43 <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 17, 9:37 pm, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > i think one must consider the difference between > > > > > > > > > > > > imagination and > > > > > > > > > > > > inspiration. one is developed, the other realized. > > > > > > > > > > > > > the original feeling that led to a series of OBE's > > > > > > > > > > > > happened as i was > > > > > > > > > > > > lying in bed with eyes closed, just before sleep. i > > > > > > > > > > > > started to get the > > > > > > > > > > > > sensation of being drawn out of my body, like a strong > > > > > > > > > > > > magnetic > > > > > > > > > > > > pulling, and it had nothing to do with imagination. i > > > > > > > > > > > > was scared > > > > > > > > > > > > because i felt my spirit was going to leave my body, > > > > > > > > > > > > and i did not > > > > > > > > > > > > want an evil spirit to enter while i was gone, so i > > > > > > > > > > > > resisted. i wanted > > > > > > > > > > > > to go, but kept shutting the attraction down out of > > > > > > > > > > > > fear. one day > > > > > > > > > > > > while experiencing this pulling i said, 'mr devil, im > > > > > > > > > > > > going on a > > > > > > > > > > > > journey and u aint allowed into this body while im > > > > > > > > > > > > gone', then i > > > > > > > > > > > > released my spirit and i have never been the same > > > > > > > > > > > > since... > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 16, 3:29 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "desperatly need to beleive" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's the key to understanding all spiritual beliefs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 'fear of the unknown' is the root of the 'fear of > > > > > > > > > > > > > death'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the common man (99.99%) the imagination is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > only relief. For > > > > > > > > > > > > > the weak imagination, there are plenty of dogmas to > > > > > > > > > > > > > ascribe to for the > > > > > > > > > > > > > comfort needed. Imagining a dogma to be true is good > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough for > > > > > > > > > > > > > holding the 'fear' at bay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An eternal Life without the elements of Life is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > joke. It's a > > > > > > > > > > > > > ridiculous fabrication of the imagination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is absolutely no substance to the idea. Every > > > > > > > > > > > > > belief of an after > > > > > > > > > > > > > Life has absolutely no other source of verification > > > > > > > > > > > > > than the human > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'living' mind's imagination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everything spiritual has the Life as a reference > > > > > > > > > > > > > point. All of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > mystical mediums can gain the knowledge, they claim > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > dead, from the collective intelligence of mankind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The collective intelligence is the only thing > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'spiritual' about > > > > > > > > > > > > > mankind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are not alone, but we are very few who can face > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 'fear'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 16, 4:24 am, buddahspath > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just pondering a thought after a tramatic funeral > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and evening of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > emotional arguments between me[AGNOSTIC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PHILOSIPHER] and my family > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fundementalist christians. who desperatly need to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beleive what they > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have taught to believe is reality.i beleve to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > irrational > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brainwashing! i am well aware that i have no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comforting fairy tales of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wonderful afterlife.i seriously doubt that a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eternal life with no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interestig challenges would be a tortureous hell! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but maybe there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could be some sort of nirvanic stages to grow as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > individuals and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > universe? but i guess as long my brain,heart,lungs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and nervous system > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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