Perhaps we own ourselves before we are born. Parents might just be a transport vehicle for one's soul.
On Jun 22, 4:58 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > " Ownership ... " > > A request to think again, Lee ! What have YOU done or given to create > this life you call your own ? In fact, this life has created YOU. > This life was seeded by your father, nurtured by your mother. What did > you do in that process ? It is this life, on the other hand, that > given you the faculties for you use, to learn and grow, the limbs, for > you to use and earn your livelihood and gather all manner of > experiences. > > There are a number of other people, I'm sure, who would have > contributed to nurture and safeguard, and grow this life you call your > own ( to the extent of retaining the right to end it at own exclusive > will ). Even the Government, and hence the UK taxpayers, would have > footed quite a few of the subsidies on your education and health ! > > I recall you scoffing at this idea of owning land. The situation with > your life is similar. You are its trustee and, as that, you have the > right to ( defend and nurture ) your life. Not to end it. Perhaps. > > On Jun 22, 2:14 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Yes a brave subject Rigsby. > > > So to continue the braveness I shall declare my position. > > > The ownership over your own life is the most fundimental 'right' that > > we humans have, and note I enclose the word right because I realise > > that there are no intrinsic rights, not even this one. > > > Now having said that however the reason why I belive that the killing > > of one human by another is moraly reprehensible is because such an act > > takes away this right of ownership. > > > So this in a nutshell is what I belive, which means that I view > > suicide as an extention of this right. If it is your wish to end your > > life, then it is your right to do so and I belive nobody should > > gainsay this. > > > On a personal note I also think that those who go through with the > > act, easpecily if they leave others behind, are brave in the > > extreame. To contemplate all the suffering that the death by you own > > hands would bring to those around you, and then to do it anyway. Of > > course this is only relevant for those who apprach the deed with a > > clear mind. > > > On 21 June, 02:08, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > It is not just the habit of poets rigsy. Suicide is the eleventh most > > > common > > > cause of death in the United States. A person dies by suicide about > > > every 16 minutes in the United States. An attempt is estimated to be > > > made once every minute. Though people who have the highest risk of > > > suicide are white men, women and teens report more suicide attempts. > > > This comparison speaks volumes concerning the seriousness of suicide. > > > Attempting suicide is just as much a problem as successful attempts. > > > > I've had many thoughts on suicide. Here is some rehashing. I truly > > > hope it is not within your immediate set of contemplations but simply > > > a melancholy drift, a dissipating cloud. > > > > Suicide is always the ultimate exit strategy unless someone is > > > confined in a prison or mental institution and strict measures are > > > taken to disallow the act. Thoughts of suicide at any age for any > > > reason can return at any time when the ugly side of life rears it's > > > head. If you thought about it when you were 8 you will think about it > > > when you are 38, 58 or 88. > > > > To terminate one's existence is entirely based on the individual's > > > perception of > > > life at the time of suicidal contemplation. To be more precise, when > > > all value in life has reached the point of nil, the life itself > > > becomes meaningless. When no amount of wealth or enlightenment offers > > > any degree of worth to the individual there is little desire to exist > > > as the question arises, "what is there to live for?". Surely there > > > are those who would offer alternative avenues to the suicidal > > > individual but the alternatives may only hold value to those > > > individuals offering the alternatives. Each individual lives within > > > the self consciousness of the individual's self and so no one can > > > transfer life values to that person. This is the dilemma that we face > > > when trying to understand why someone would want to commit suicide as > > > we cannot share the thought patterns of the individual prior to the > > > suicide and can no longer query the individual in the post suicidal > > > state. This is of course aside from heroic or religious based suicides > > > and detailed explanations left by the individual prior to suicide. > > > Though we all have the freedom (perhaps not the nerve) to commit > > > suicide, most choose life instead and find value in it's most simple > > > form. > > > > Truly the experience of just being alive is enough for some to > > > view it as being the main value in living. Some view suffering as part > > > of the living experience and therefore find no cause to terminate > > > life. Some may insist that suicide is wrong and unjust according to > > > various standards, however, I find that aspect to be centered upon > > > social/religious obligations. Considering that life remains enigmatic > > > and has yet to offer any proofs as to it's meaning or purpose, the act > > > of suicide is solely carried out according to the individual's > > > discretion. > > > > Perhaps we grasp at this life for it's mere existence and the > > > experience of the existence, as in a blissful dream from which we do > > > not want to leave. We know the dream is occurring in our sleep state > > > and when we awake our mind will return to our conscious world but we > > > still in some instances wish we didn't wake up. This excludes > > > nightmares or disturbing dreams of course. > > > > The ramifications of the suicidal act, I think, are not something that > > > the suicidal > > > weighs heavily during the moment of truth. The suicidal at some > > > point must eliminate all other aspects of life surrounding > > > individuality. Concern for others might be a consideration but the > > > ultimate focus becomes the self in the end. The suffering becomes so > > > internalized and undetectable but never the less, it festers within > > > until it is no longer containable. The people surrounding the > > > individual are usually caught in a daze of shock and dismay without > > > any clues. > > > > I don't always look at suicide as the failure of the suicidal as much > > > as I see it as a failure of society to address the issues that lead to > > > suicide and the stigma and repercussions of the act itself. We must > > > re-examine the values of humanity before we can alleviate the problems > > > of depression and suicide, alcohol and drug abuse. The complexities > > > are overwhelming. > > > > One thing for sure is, Life is for Living! > > > > On Jun 20, 6:56 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > A habit of poets. A boost to book sales and theories. Women might as > > > > well throw themselves over the cliff after 30. The world belongs to > > > > men. 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