I like what you wrote; so now there's two topics I'll get back to you on at some point (Consciouness/random thoughts was the other topic).
I was in a pysche ward for a few days for contemplating suicide in '96 (I own hand guns and actullay kept a SWAT team outside my house for over 24 hours; long, mildly entertaining story, but not now)..... You're spot-on right about this: <quote> If you thought about it when you were 8 you will think about it when you are 38, 58 or 88. <end quote> I got nothing to really complain about...Life hasn't been that hard for me -- just don't like it here on this miserable sphere -- and yet I persist and make my time as pleasant as possible, not hurting & helping when I can...But I think of getting "paroled" from my "life sentence" fairly often............... I'll get back to ya', K e v On Jun 20, 9:08 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > It is not just the habit of poets rigsy. Suicide is the eleventh most > common > cause of death in the United States. A person dies by suicide about > every 16 minutes in the United States. An attempt is estimated to be > made once every minute. Though people who have the highest risk of > suicide are white men, women and teens report more suicide attempts. > This comparison speaks volumes concerning the seriousness of suicide. > Attempting suicide is just as much a problem as successful attempts. > > I've had many thoughts on suicide. Here is some rehashing. I truly > hope it is not within your immediate set of contemplations but simply > a melancholy drift, a dissipating cloud. > > Suicide is always the ultimate exit strategy unless someone is > confined in a prison or mental institution and strict measures are > taken to disallow the act. Thoughts of suicide at any age for any > reason can return at any time when the ugly side of life rears it's > head. If you thought about it when you were 8 you will think about it > when you are 38, 58 or 88. > > To terminate one's existence is entirely based on the individual's > perception of > life at the time of suicidal contemplation. To be more precise, when > all value in life has reached the point of nil, the life itself > becomes meaningless. When no amount of wealth or enlightenment offers > any degree of worth to the individual there is little desire to exist > as the question arises, "what is there to live for?". Surely there > are those who would offer alternative avenues to the suicidal > individual but the alternatives may only hold value to those > individuals offering the alternatives. Each individual lives within > the self consciousness of the individual's self and so no one can > transfer life values to that person. This is the dilemma that we face > when trying to understand why someone would want to commit suicide as > we cannot share the thought patterns of the individual prior to the > suicide and can no longer query the individual in the post suicidal > state. This is of course aside from heroic or religious based suicides > and detailed explanations left by the individual prior to suicide. > Though we all have the freedom (perhaps not the nerve) to commit > suicide, most choose life instead and find value in it's most simple > form. > > Truly the experience of just being alive is enough for some to > view it as being the main value in living. Some view suffering as part > of the living experience and therefore find no cause to terminate > life. Some may insist that suicide is wrong and unjust according to > various standards, however, I find that aspect to be centered upon > social/religious obligations. Considering that life remains enigmatic > and has yet to offer any proofs as to it's meaning or purpose, the act > of suicide is solely carried out according to the individual's > discretion. > > Perhaps we grasp at this life for it's mere existence and the > experience of the existence, as in a blissful dream from which we do > not want to leave. We know the dream is occurring in our sleep state > and when we awake our mind will return to our conscious world but we > still in some instances wish we didn't wake up. This excludes > nightmares or disturbing dreams of course. > > The ramifications of the suicidal act, I think, are not something that > the suicidal > weighs heavily during the moment of truth. The suicidal at some > point must eliminate all other aspects of life surrounding > individuality. Concern for others might be a consideration but the > ultimate focus becomes the self in the end. The suffering becomes so > internalized and undetectable but never the less, it festers within > until it is no longer containable. The people surrounding the > individual are usually caught in a daze of shock and dismay without > any clues. > > I don't always look at suicide as the failure of the suicidal as much > as I see it as a failure of society to address the issues that lead to > suicide and the stigma and repercussions of the act itself. We must > re-examine the values of humanity before we can alleviate the problems > of depression and suicide, alcohol and drug abuse. The complexities > are overwhelming. > > One thing for sure is, Life is for Living! > > On Jun 20, 6:56 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > A habit of poets. A boost to book sales and theories. Women might as > > well throw themselves over the cliff after 30. The world belongs to > > men. 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