Gotta luv ya mon! You keep on keepin on bro!
On Jun 28, 10:58 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
> I am the catalyst, I am doing what is necessary to breakthrough to
> understanding.
>
> Lashing out against the system will not do any good. Understanding the
> basic operation/drive of the system and affecting it is the only way
> to change the system.
> 'Rule overrules right' is a working formula for understanding the
> operation/drive of the system (Society).
> Do you understand it?
> Can you discuss it?
> How about the connection in our mind that is common to all mankind?
> Can you talk about a way to make it commonly understood and recognized
> with a universal symbol?
>
> I've been "on with this" for eight years.
> I am doing, to get "on with this" discussed as an idea and realized as
> a possibility.
>
> Would you like to help? It's your world too, ya know? :-)
>
> peace & Love
>
> On Jun 28, 10:03 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > You are delivering old news Tinker!
>
> > Just make it happen, be the catalyst!
>
> > Or are you afraid and trying to get others to lash out against the
> > system?
>
> > You've been on with this since day one but what are you doing about
> > it?
>
> > Do it mon!
>
> > On Jun 28, 7:52 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Archy and Orn,
>
> > > It seems to me that you both know the system in control of the world
> > > we Live in is totally fucked.
>
> > > "I tend to like countervailing structures and to know who is governing
> > > what. *I fear this is on the decline.*" - Arch
> > > The later is a bit of an understatement. The common people of the
> > > world have not seen any reference to the 'true rulers' governing the
> > > world for many years. The closest you'll get to the truth is the
> > > conspiracy theories of some extremist groups.
>
> > > "what is going on is so obvious we shouldn't have to explain and
> > > describe it, but already be working on putting things right." - Arch
> > > The system is fucked! The system is of control of the masses by a few.
> > > The ways of the system are never going to change the system, the
> > > system will evolve to become more efficient.
>
> > > The "small things" that allow some to maintain the assumption of being
> > > "reasonably free" are supported by the connection in our mind to the
> > > collective intelligence. The system is progressing towards overcoming
> > > that and has been successful to the point that the free thinkers are
> > > considered radical by the masses.
>
> > > "though I believe something more spiritual has to be part of our daily
> > > affairs." - Arch
> > > "something more spiritual", like the connection in our mind that
> > > substantiates spiritual beliefs?
> > > "has to be part of our daily affairs.", like recognized with a common
> > > definition attributed to a universal symbol?
> > > Hmmm..., sounds like the beginning of a plan to actually affect a
> > > change in the way of the system :-)
>
> > > "There is no way to the divine that I know of that simply ignores
> > > appearances." - Orn
> > > Absolutely! The system is the absolute of our Society. Ignoring the
> > > system as the element keeping us from the divine will keep us from
> > > achieving it. "Organization" is established by the rule of the system
> > > and complicates the 'idea' that we are ONE.
> > > A *non-system remedy* - "would have to be based upon the fundamental
> > > structure of mind itself. In no other way could integrity be
> > > demonstrated." - Orn
> > > "fundamental structure of mind itself", the connection to our
> > > collective intelligence?
> > > "In no other way could integrity be demonstrated". = The only way to
> > > establish Unity :-)
>
> > > peace & Love
>
> > > On Jun 27, 9:37 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > “…I am materialist only in believing that anything divine should not
> > > > simply be attained by averting eyes, though I believe something more
> > > > spiritual has to be part of our daily affairs. I believe it can be
> > > > organised - though the rub is we need control of the organising
> > > > through a system in which integrity is demonstrated, not made sacred
> > > > in a regime of truth. The divine may be fine, but sadly it can be
> > > > faked. Somewhere, somehow, we need to be able to contribute, have
> > > > this recognised and be left alone yet not isolated from support we
> > > > should expect from our contributions. We probably have the
> > > > technology
> > > > to organise this for the first time…” – Neil
>
> > > > Fully agreed upon Neil!
>
> > > > Your first part about ‘averting eyes’ immediately brought to mind the
> > > > Beatles song which includes the words “..living is easy with eyes
> > > > closed misunderstanding all you see…”
>
> > > >http://www.metrolyrics.com/strawberry-fields-forever-lyrics-beatles.html
>
> > > >http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Strawberry+Fields+Forever
>
> > > > There is no way to the divine that I know of that simply ignores
> > > > appearances. To me, such a notion is absurd. Organization would seem
> > > > to be innate for anything in fact of the oneness of us all. Further,
> > > > such a ‘system’ would have to be based upon the fundamental structure
> > > > of mind itself. In no other way could integrity be demonstrated. And,
> > > > yes, charlatans abound. Without an agreed upon view including method,
> > > > goals etc., the omnipresent attempts at coerced uniting will continue.
>
> > > > On Jun 26, 9:55 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > I would guess we are all troubled by that focus on words that leads to
> > > > > a myriad of books that only help in obscure ways and which makes an
> > > > > industry out of the clutter. I'm at the end of a long experiment I
> > > > > need to write up. Orn's a bit older than me, but we have both harked
> > > > > back to a time when jobs could pay pretty well and didn't seem to be
> > > > > in short supply. These days, I despair that the main industry is
> > > > > about providing useless training for jobs that aren't there. I do see
> > > > > a case for us all to need to be able to 'see the Emperor naked' and
> > > > > further to be able to talk about the madness and not inventions about
> > > > > the 'clothes'.
> > > > > I was at a two-day training event this week, based on utter cock
> > > > > derived from a book called 'Chicken Soup for the Soul' - all homilies
> > > > > around being rejected 132 times before publication and the success of
> > > > > self-made men and women who have triumphed over adversity. Everyone
> > > > > there could see this within minutes of the start. All anyone there
> > > > > wanted was a job that would bring some security - this being the very
> > > > > thing not on offer. All the stories were known to me to be as false
> > > > > as claims made at pyramid selling events. The book of invisible
> > > > > thread had apparently sold 195 million copies - very scary. The
> > > > > trainer seemed to be a believer, though a fairly good egg who reminded
> > > > > me of my Auntie Jean. What capitalism offered once was the chance of
> > > > > a decent wage and the ability to move on to another - my guess is that
> > > > > what we liked about it was the freedom from the overbearing authority
> > > > > of people with riches and the ranking system of education and
> > > > > equivalents of the Domesday Book.
> > > > > On my way home, I saw one of the idiots who was allowed to cause so
> > > > > much grief to me and Sue when they lived next door. He was driving a
> > > > > car. He is nearly always drunk or drugged and can't have a licence,
> > > > > is probably disqualified, the vehicle probably unsafe and so on. He
> > > > > and his partner have lived by defrauding benefits and crime for over
> > > > > 20 years. She is on trial for arson and awaiting sentence for a
> > > > > serious assault. They are an industry - every year they cost around
> > > > > £100,000 in benefits and in the legal system around their 'petty'
> > > > > crimes (like throwing a fire-bomb at a family home). One of the women
> > > > > on the course applied for a gardening programme only to be told it was
> > > > > only for people who had committed crimes. One could go on, but this
> > > > > is the problem - what is going on is so obvious we shouldn't have to
> > > > > explain and describe it, but already be working on putting things
> > > > > right.
> > > > > My guess is that we need control of the small things that make life
> > > > > reasonably free, and that we have actually become cowed by authority
> > > > > systems we won't see. The 'Baby P' case in the UK is a classic. It's
> > > > > clear none of the participants in this baby's cruel life and death was
> > > > > prepared to act on the obvious evidence of eye and good sense. These
> > > > > people were cops, social workers, doctors and so on, all caught up in
> > > > > cowardly kow-tow. The whistle-blowers were all crudely stamped down,
> > > > > as surely as the young child shouting out the 'Emperor is naked' would
> > > > > be hung as a witch. Our systems are already 'sacred' in that they
> > > > > have eliminated fair criticism through a taboo of fear. I am
> > > > > materialist only in believing that anything divine should not simply
> > > > > be attained by averting eyes, though I believe something more
> > > > > spiritual has to be part of our daily affairs. I believe it can be
> > > > > organised - though the rub is we need control of the organising
> > > > > through a system in which integrity is demonstrated, not made sacred
> > > > > in a regime of truth. The divine may be fine, but sadly it can be
> > > > > faked. Somewhere, somehow, we need to be able to contribute, have
> > > > > this recognised and be left alone yet not isolated from support we
> > > > > should expect from our contributions. We probably have the technology
> > > > > to organise this for the first time.
> > > > > We now have two cats and an interloper called Arbuthnot with a
> > > > > magnetic collar who sneaks in and sleeps on the spare bed. My plan is
>
> ...
>
> read more »
--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
""Minds Eye"" group.
To post to this group, send email to [email protected]
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
[email protected]
For more options, visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en
-~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
