It cannot be replaced Allan, the system is resultant of the driving force of creation. Identifying an element of that force with an observable equation (rule overrules right) does give us a perspective with which to formulate a change in the system.
Next question please :-) peace & Love On Jun 29, 1:29 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > Now Tinker I agree with your assessment that a few are having sexual > intercourse with the rest of society. and that really sucks. > > Now comes some minor questions. > > the first one is a minor question is: What are you going to replace this > system of society with? > > the second question we will get to after we have the answer to the first > question. As they say you learn to walk one step at a time. > Allan > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 7:21 AM, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > to not answer = 'no' answer > > > Doesn't it? :-) > > > peace & Love > > > On Jun 28, 11:57 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > It does? > > > > On Jun 28, 11:41 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > SD - "Gotta luv ya mon! You keep on keepin on bro!" = no, to all the > > > > above > > > > > :-( > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > On Jun 28, 11:09 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Gotta luv ya mon! You keep on keepin on bro! > > > > > > On Jun 28, 10:58 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I am the catalyst, I am doing what is necessary to breakthrough to > > > > > > understanding. > > > > > > > Lashing out against the system will not do any good. Understanding > > the > > > > > > basic operation/drive of the system and affecting it is the only > > way > > > > > > to change the system. > > > > > > 'Rule overrules right' is a working formula for understanding the > > > > > > operation/drive of the system (Society). > > > > > > Do you understand it? > > > > > > Can you discuss it? > > > > > > How about the connection in our mind that is common to all mankind? > > > > > > Can you talk about a way to make it commonly understood and > > recognized > > > > > > with a universal symbol? > > > > > > > I've been "on with this" for eight years. > > > > > > I am doing, to get "on with this" discussed as an idea and realized > > as > > > > > > a possibility. > > > > > > > Would you like to help? It's your world too, ya know? :-) > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > On Jun 28, 10:03 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > You are delivering old news Tinker! > > > > > > > > Just make it happen, be the catalyst! > > > > > > > > Or are you afraid and trying to get others to lash out against > > the > > > > > > > system? > > > > > > > > You've been on with this since day one but what are you doing > > about > > > > > > > it? > > > > > > > > Do it mon! > > > > > > > > On Jun 28, 7:52 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Archy and Orn, > > > > > > > > > It seems to me that you both know the system in control of the > > world > > > > > > > > we Live in is totally fucked. > > > > > > > > > "I tend to like countervailing structures and to know who is > > governing > > > > > > > > what. *I fear this is on the decline.*" - Arch > > > > > > > > The later is a bit of an understatement. The common people of > > the > > > > > > > > world have not seen any reference to the 'true rulers' > > governing the > > > > > > > > world for many years. The closest you'll get to the truth is > > the > > > > > > > > conspiracy theories of some extremist groups. > > > > > > > > > "what is going on is so obvious we shouldn't have to explain > > and > > > > > > > > describe it, but already be working on putting things right." - > > Arch > > > > > > > > The system is fucked! The system is of control of the masses by > > a few. > > > > > > > > The ways of the system are never going to change the system, > > the > > > > > > > > system will evolve to become more efficient. > > > > > > > > > The "small things" that allow some to maintain the assumption > > of being > > > > > > > > "reasonably free" are supported by the connection in our mind > > to the > > > > > > > > collective intelligence. The system is progressing towards > > overcoming > > > > > > > > that and has been successful to the point that the free > > thinkers are > > > > > > > > considered radical by the masses. > > > > > > > > > "though I believe something more spiritual has to be part of > > our daily > > > > > > > > affairs." - Arch > > > > > > > > "something more spiritual", like the connection in our mind > > that > > > > > > > > substantiates spiritual beliefs? > > > > > > > > "has to be part of our daily affairs.", like recognized with a > > common > > > > > > > > definition attributed to a universal symbol? > > > > > > > > Hmmm..., sounds like the beginning of a plan to actually affect > > a > > > > > > > > change in the way of the system :-) > > > > > > > > > "There is no way to the divine that I know of that simply > > ignores > > > > > > > > appearances." - Orn > > > > > > > > Absolutely! The system is the absolute of our Society. Ignoring > > the > > > > > > > > system as the element keeping us from the divine will keep us > > from > > > > > > > > achieving it. "Organization" is established by the rule of the > > system > > > > > > > > and complicates the 'idea' that we are ONE. > > > > > > > > A *non-system remedy* - "would have to be based upon the > > fundamental > > > > > > > > structure of mind itself. In no other way could integrity be > > > > > > > > demonstrated." - Orn > > > > > > > > "fundamental structure of mind itself", the connection to our > > > > > > > > collective intelligence? > > > > > > > > "In no other way could integrity be demonstrated". = The only > > way to > > > > > > > > establish Unity :-) > > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > > On Jun 27, 9:37 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > “…I am materialist only in believing that anything divine > > should not > > > > > > > > > simply be attained by averting eyes, though I believe > > something more > > > > > > > > > spiritual has to be part of our daily affairs. I believe it > > can be > > > > > > > > > organised - though the rub is we need control of the > > organising > > > > > > > > > through a system in which integrity is demonstrated, not made > > sacred > > > > > > > > > in a regime of truth. The divine may be fine, but sadly it > > can be > > > > > > > > > faked. Somewhere, somehow, we need to be able to contribute, > > have > > > > > > > > > this recognised and be left alone yet not isolated from > > support we > > > > > > > > > should expect from our contributions. We probably have the > > > > > > > > > technology > > > > > > > > > to organise this for the first time…” – Neil > > > > > > > > > > Fully agreed upon Neil! > > > > > > > > > > Your first part about ‘averting eyes’ immediately brought to > > mind the > > > > > > > > > Beatles song which includes the words “..living is easy with > > eyes > > > > > > > > > closed misunderstanding all you see…” > > >http://www.metrolyrics.com/strawberry-fields-forever-lyrics-beatles.html > > >http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Strawberry+Fields+Forever > > > > > > > > > > There is no way to the divine that I know of that simply > > ignores > > > > > > > > > appearances. To me, such a notion is absurd. Organization > > would seem > > > > > > > > > to be innate for anything in fact of the oneness of us all. > > Further, > > > > > > > > > such a ‘system’ would have to be based upon the fundamental > > structure > > > > > > > > > of mind itself. In no other way could integrity be > > demonstrated. And, > > > > > > > > > yes, charlatans abound. Without an agreed upon view including > > method, > > > > > > > > > goals etc., the omnipresent attempts at coerced uniting will > > continue. > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 26, 9:55 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I would guess we are all troubled by that focus on words > > that leads to > > > > > > > > > > a myriad of books that only help in obscure ways and which > > makes an > > > > > > > > > > industry out of the clutter. I'm at the end of a long > > experiment I > > > > > > > > > > need to write up. Orn's a bit older than me, but we have > > both harked > > > > > > > > > > back to a time when jobs could pay pretty well and didn't > > seem to be > > > > > > > > > > in short supply. These days, I despair that the main > > industry is > > > > > > > > > > about providing useless training for jobs that aren't > > there. I do see > > > > > > > > > > a case for us all to need to be able to 'see the Emperor > > naked' and > > > > > > > > > > further to be able to talk about the madness and not > > inventions about > > > > > > > > > > the 'clothes'. > > > > > > > > > > I was at a two-day training event this week, based on utter > > cock > > > > > > > > > > derived from a book called 'Chicken Soup for the Soul' - > > all homilies > > > > > > > > > > around being rejected 132 times before publication and the > > success of > > > > > > > > > > self-made men and women who have triumphed over adversity. > > Everyone > > > > > > > > > > there could see this within minutes of the start. All > > anyone there > > > > > > > > > > wanted was a job that would bring some security - this > > being the very > > > > > > > > > > thing not on offer. All the stories were known to me to be > > as false > > > > > > > > > > as claims made at pyramid selling events. The book of > > invisible > > > > > > > > > > thread had apparently sold 195 million copies - very scary. > > The > > > > > > > > > > trainer seemed to be a believer, though a fairly good egg > > who reminded > > > > > > > > > > me of my Auntie Jean. What capitalism offered once was the > > chance of > > > > > > > > > > a decent wage and the ability to move on to another - my > > guess is that > > > > > > > > > > what we liked about it was the freedom from the overbearing > > authority > > > > > > > > > > of people with riches and the ranking system of education > > and > > > > > > > > > > equivalents of the Domesday Book. > > > > > > > > > > On my way home, I saw one of the idiots who was allowed to > > cause so > > > > > > > > > > much grief to me and Sue when they lived next door. He was > > driving a > > > > > > > > > > car. He is nearly > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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