Now Tinker I agree with your assessment that a few are having sexual intercourse with the rest of society. and that really sucks.
Now comes some minor questions. the first one is a minor question is: What are you going to replace this system of society with? the second question we will get to after we have the answer to the first question. As they say you learn to walk one step at a time. Allan On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 7:21 AM, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > to not answer = 'no' answer > > Doesn't it? :-) > > peace & Love > > On Jun 28, 11:57 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > It does? > > > > On Jun 28, 11:41 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > SD - "Gotta luv ya mon! You keep on keepin on bro!" = no, to all the > > > above > > > > > :-( > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > On Jun 28, 11:09 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Gotta luv ya mon! You keep on keepin on bro! > > > > > > On Jun 28, 10:58 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I am the catalyst, I am doing what is necessary to breakthrough to > > > > > understanding. > > > > > > > Lashing out against the system will not do any good. Understanding > the > > > > > basic operation/drive of the system and affecting it is the only > way > > > > > to change the system. > > > > > 'Rule overrules right' is a working formula for understanding the > > > > > operation/drive of the system (Society). > > > > > Do you understand it? > > > > > Can you discuss it? > > > > > How about the connection in our mind that is common to all mankind? > > > > > Can you talk about a way to make it commonly understood and > recognized > > > > > with a universal symbol? > > > > > > > I've been "on with this" for eight years. > > > > > I am doing, to get "on with this" discussed as an idea and realized > as > > > > > a possibility. > > > > > > > Would you like to help? It's your world too, ya know? :-) > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > On Jun 28, 10:03 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > You are delivering old news Tinker! > > > > > > > > Just make it happen, be the catalyst! > > > > > > > > Or are you afraid and trying to get others to lash out against > the > > > > > > system? > > > > > > > > You've been on with this since day one but what are you doing > about > > > > > > it? > > > > > > > > Do it mon! > > > > > > > > On Jun 28, 7:52 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Archy and Orn, > > > > > > > > > It seems to me that you both know the system in control of the > world > > > > > > > we Live in is totally fucked. > > > > > > > > > "I tend to like countervailing structures and to know who is > governing > > > > > > > what. *I fear this is on the decline.*" - Arch > > > > > > > The later is a bit of an understatement. The common people of > the > > > > > > > world have not seen any reference to the 'true rulers' > governing the > > > > > > > world for many years. The closest you'll get to the truth is > the > > > > > > > conspiracy theories of some extremist groups. > > > > > > > > > "what is going on is so obvious we shouldn't have to explain > and > > > > > > > describe it, but already be working on putting things right." - > Arch > > > > > > > The system is fucked! The system is of control of the masses by > a few. > > > > > > > The ways of the system are never going to change the system, > the > > > > > > > system will evolve to become more efficient. > > > > > > > > > The "small things" that allow some to maintain the assumption > of being > > > > > > > "reasonably free" are supported by the connection in our mind > to the > > > > > > > collective intelligence. The system is progressing towards > overcoming > > > > > > > that and has been successful to the point that the free > thinkers are > > > > > > > considered radical by the masses. > > > > > > > > > "though I believe something more spiritual has to be part of > our daily > > > > > > > affairs." - Arch > > > > > > > "something more spiritual", like the connection in our mind > that > > > > > > > substantiates spiritual beliefs? > > > > > > > "has to be part of our daily affairs.", like recognized with a > common > > > > > > > definition attributed to a universal symbol? > > > > > > > Hmmm..., sounds like the beginning of a plan to actually affect > a > > > > > > > change in the way of the system :-) > > > > > > > > > "There is no way to the divine that I know of that simply > ignores > > > > > > > appearances." - Orn > > > > > > > Absolutely! The system is the absolute of our Society. Ignoring > the > > > > > > > system as the element keeping us from the divine will keep us > from > > > > > > > achieving it. "Organization" is established by the rule of the > system > > > > > > > and complicates the 'idea' that we are ONE. > > > > > > > A *non-system remedy* - "would have to be based upon the > fundamental > > > > > > > structure of mind itself. In no other way could integrity be > > > > > > > demonstrated." - Orn > > > > > > > "fundamental structure of mind itself", the connection to our > > > > > > > collective intelligence? > > > > > > > "In no other way could integrity be demonstrated". = The only > way to > > > > > > > establish Unity :-) > > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > > On Jun 27, 9:37 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > “…I am materialist only in believing that anything divine > should not > > > > > > > > simply be attained by averting eyes, though I believe > something more > > > > > > > > spiritual has to be part of our daily affairs. I believe it > can be > > > > > > > > organised - though the rub is we need control of the > organising > > > > > > > > through a system in which integrity is demonstrated, not made > sacred > > > > > > > > in a regime of truth. The divine may be fine, but sadly it > can be > > > > > > > > faked. Somewhere, somehow, we need to be able to contribute, > have > > > > > > > > this recognised and be left alone yet not isolated from > support we > > > > > > > > should expect from our contributions. We probably have the > > > > > > > > technology > > > > > > > > to organise this for the first time…” – Neil > > > > > > > > > > Fully agreed upon Neil! > > > > > > > > > > Your first part about ‘averting eyes’ immediately brought to > mind the > > > > > > > > Beatles song which includes the words “..living is easy with > eyes > > > > > > > > closed misunderstanding all you see…” > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.metrolyrics.com/strawberry-fields-forever-lyrics-beatles.html > > > > > > > > > > > http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Strawberry+Fields+Forever > > > > > > > > > > There is no way to the divine that I know of that simply > ignores > > > > > > > > appearances. To me, such a notion is absurd. Organization > would seem > > > > > > > > to be innate for anything in fact of the oneness of us all. > Further, > > > > > > > > such a ‘system’ would have to be based upon the fundamental > structure > > > > > > > > of mind itself. In no other way could integrity be > demonstrated. And, > > > > > > > > yes, charlatans abound. Without an agreed upon view including > method, > > > > > > > > goals etc., the omnipresent attempts at coerced uniting will > continue. > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 26, 9:55 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I would guess we are all troubled by that focus on words > that leads to > > > > > > > > > a myriad of books that only help in obscure ways and which > makes an > > > > > > > > > industry out of the clutter. I'm at the end of a long > experiment I > > > > > > > > > need to write up. Orn's a bit older than me, but we have > both harked > > > > > > > > > back to a time when jobs could pay pretty well and didn't > seem to be > > > > > > > > > in short supply. These days, I despair that the main > industry is > > > > > > > > > about providing useless training for jobs that aren't > there. I do see > > > > > > > > > a case for us all to need to be able to 'see the Emperor > naked' and > > > > > > > > > further to be able to talk about the madness and not > inventions about > > > > > > > > > the 'clothes'. > > > > > > > > > I was at a two-day training event this week, based on utter > cock > > > > > > > > > derived from a book called 'Chicken Soup for the Soul' - > all homilies > > > > > > > > > around being rejected 132 times before publication and the > success of > > > > > > > > > self-made men and women who have triumphed over adversity. > Everyone > > > > > > > > > there could see this within minutes of the start. All > anyone there > > > > > > > > > wanted was a job that would bring some security - this > being the very > > > > > > > > > thing not on offer. All the stories were known to me to be > as false > > > > > > > > > as claims made at pyramid selling events. The book of > invisible > > > > > > > > > thread had apparently sold 195 million copies - very scary. > The > > > > > > > > > trainer seemed to be a believer, though a fairly good egg > who reminded > > > > > > > > > me of my Auntie Jean. What capitalism offered once was the > chance of > > > > > > > > > a decent wage and the ability to move on to another - my > guess is that > > > > > > > > > what we liked about it was the freedom from the overbearing > authority > > > > > > > > > of people with riches and the ranking system of education > and > > > > > > > > > equivalents of the Domesday Book. > > > > > > > > > On my way home, I saw one of the idiots who was allowed to > cause so > > > > > > > > > much grief to me and Sue when they lived next door. He was > driving a > > > > > > > > > car. He is nearly always drunk or drugged and can't have a > licence, > > > > > > > > > is probably disqualified, the vehicle probably unsafe and > so on. He > > > > > > > > > and his partner have lived by defrauding benefits and crime > for over > > > > > > > > > 20 years. She is on trial for arson and awaiting sentence > for a > > > > > > > > > serious assault. They are an industry - every year they > cost around > > > > > > > > > £100,000 in benefits and in the legal system around their > 'petty' > > > > > > > > > crimes (like throwing a fire-bomb at a family home). One > of the women > > > > > > > > > on the course applied for a gardening programme only to be > told it was > > > > > > > > > only for people who had committed crimes. One could go on, > but this > > > > > > > > > is the problem - what is going on is so obvious we > shouldn't have to > > > > > > > > > explain and describe it, but already be working on putting > things > > > > > > > > > right. > > > > > > > > > My guess is that we need control of the small things that > make life > > > > > > > > > reasonably free, and that we have actually become cowed by > authority > > > > > > > > > systems we won't see. The 'Baby P' case in the UK is a > classic. It's > > > > > > > > > clear none of the participants in this baby's cruel life > and death was > > > > > > > > > prepared to act on the obvious evidence of eye and good > sense. These > > > > > > > > > people were cops, social workers, doctors and so on, all > caught up > > > > ... > > > > read more » > > > -- ( ) I_D Allan --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
