SD - "Gotta luv ya mon! You keep on keepin on bro!" = no, to all the above
:-( peace & Love On Jun 28, 11:09 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > Gotta luv ya mon! You keep on keepin on bro! > > On Jun 28, 10:58 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I am the catalyst, I am doing what is necessary to breakthrough to > > understanding. > > > Lashing out against the system will not do any good. Understanding the > > basic operation/drive of the system and affecting it is the only way > > to change the system. > > 'Rule overrules right' is a working formula for understanding the > > operation/drive of the system (Society). > > Do you understand it? > > Can you discuss it? > > How about the connection in our mind that is common to all mankind? > > Can you talk about a way to make it commonly understood and recognized > > with a universal symbol? > > > I've been "on with this" for eight years. > > I am doing, to get "on with this" discussed as an idea and realized as > > a possibility. > > > Would you like to help? It's your world too, ya know? :-) > > > peace & Love > > > On Jun 28, 10:03 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > You are delivering old news Tinker! > > > > Just make it happen, be the catalyst! > > > > Or are you afraid and trying to get others to lash out against the > > > system? > > > > You've been on with this since day one but what are you doing about > > > it? > > > > Do it mon! > > > > On Jun 28, 7:52 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Archy and Orn, > > > > > It seems to me that you both know the system in control of the world > > > > we Live in is totally fucked. > > > > > "I tend to like countervailing structures and to know who is governing > > > > what. *I fear this is on the decline.*" - Arch > > > > The later is a bit of an understatement. The common people of the > > > > world have not seen any reference to the 'true rulers' governing the > > > > world for many years. The closest you'll get to the truth is the > > > > conspiracy theories of some extremist groups. > > > > > "what is going on is so obvious we shouldn't have to explain and > > > > describe it, but already be working on putting things right." - Arch > > > > The system is fucked! The system is of control of the masses by a few. > > > > The ways of the system are never going to change the system, the > > > > system will evolve to become more efficient. > > > > > The "small things" that allow some to maintain the assumption of being > > > > "reasonably free" are supported by the connection in our mind to the > > > > collective intelligence. The system is progressing towards overcoming > > > > that and has been successful to the point that the free thinkers are > > > > considered radical by the masses. > > > > > "though I believe something more spiritual has to be part of our daily > > > > affairs." - Arch > > > > "something more spiritual", like the connection in our mind that > > > > substantiates spiritual beliefs? > > > > "has to be part of our daily affairs.", like recognized with a common > > > > definition attributed to a universal symbol? > > > > Hmmm..., sounds like the beginning of a plan to actually affect a > > > > change in the way of the system :-) > > > > > "There is no way to the divine that I know of that simply ignores > > > > appearances." - Orn > > > > Absolutely! The system is the absolute of our Society. Ignoring the > > > > system as the element keeping us from the divine will keep us from > > > > achieving it. "Organization" is established by the rule of the system > > > > and complicates the 'idea' that we are ONE. > > > > A *non-system remedy* - "would have to be based upon the fundamental > > > > structure of mind itself. In no other way could integrity be > > > > demonstrated." - Orn > > > > "fundamental structure of mind itself", the connection to our > > > > collective intelligence? > > > > "In no other way could integrity be demonstrated". = The only way to > > > > establish Unity :-) > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > On Jun 27, 9:37 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > “…I am materialist only in believing that anything divine should not > > > > > simply be attained by averting eyes, though I believe something more > > > > > spiritual has to be part of our daily affairs. I believe it can be > > > > > organised - though the rub is we need control of the organising > > > > > through a system in which integrity is demonstrated, not made sacred > > > > > in a regime of truth. The divine may be fine, but sadly it can be > > > > > faked. Somewhere, somehow, we need to be able to contribute, have > > > > > this recognised and be left alone yet not isolated from support we > > > > > should expect from our contributions. We probably have the > > > > > technology > > > > > to organise this for the first time…” – Neil > > > > > > Fully agreed upon Neil! > > > > > > Your first part about ‘averting eyes’ immediately brought to mind the > > > > > Beatles song which includes the words “..living is easy with eyes > > > > > closed misunderstanding all you see…” > > > > > >http://www.metrolyrics.com/strawberry-fields-forever-lyrics-beatles.html > > > > > >http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Strawberry+Fields+Forever > > > > > > There is no way to the divine that I know of that simply ignores > > > > > appearances. To me, such a notion is absurd. Organization would seem > > > > > to be innate for anything in fact of the oneness of us all. Further, > > > > > such a ‘system’ would have to be based upon the fundamental structure > > > > > of mind itself. In no other way could integrity be demonstrated. And, > > > > > yes, charlatans abound. Without an agreed upon view including method, > > > > > goals etc., the omnipresent attempts at coerced uniting will continue. > > > > > > On Jun 26, 9:55 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I would guess we are all troubled by that focus on words that leads > > > > > > to > > > > > > a myriad of books that only help in obscure ways and which makes an > > > > > > industry out of the clutter. I'm at the end of a long experiment I > > > > > > need to write up. Orn's a bit older than me, but we have both > > > > > > harked > > > > > > back to a time when jobs could pay pretty well and didn't seem to be > > > > > > in short supply. These days, I despair that the main industry is > > > > > > about providing useless training for jobs that aren't there. I do > > > > > > see > > > > > > a case for us all to need to be able to 'see the Emperor naked' and > > > > > > further to be able to talk about the madness and not inventions > > > > > > about > > > > > > the 'clothes'. > > > > > > I was at a two-day training event this week, based on utter cock > > > > > > derived from a book called 'Chicken Soup for the Soul' - all > > > > > > homilies > > > > > > around being rejected 132 times before publication and the success > > > > > > of > > > > > > self-made men and women who have triumphed over adversity. Everyone > > > > > > there could see this within minutes of the start. All anyone there > > > > > > wanted was a job that would bring some security - this being the > > > > > > very > > > > > > thing not on offer. All the stories were known to me to be as false > > > > > > as claims made at pyramid selling events. The book of invisible > > > > > > thread had apparently sold 195 million copies - very scary. The > > > > > > trainer seemed to be a believer, though a fairly good egg who > > > > > > reminded > > > > > > me of my Auntie Jean. What capitalism offered once was the chance > > > > > > of > > > > > > a decent wage and the ability to move on to another - my guess is > > > > > > that > > > > > > what we liked about it was the freedom from the overbearing > > > > > > authority > > > > > > of people with riches and the ranking system of education and > > > > > > equivalents of the Domesday Book. > > > > > > On my way home, I saw one of the idiots who was allowed to cause so > > > > > > much grief to me and Sue when they lived next door. He was driving > > > > > > a > > > > > > car. He is nearly always drunk or drugged and can't have a licence, > > > > > > is probably disqualified, the vehicle probably unsafe and so on. He > > > > > > and his partner have lived by defrauding benefits and crime for over > > > > > > 20 years. She is on trial for arson and awaiting sentence for a > > > > > > serious assault. They are an industry - every year they cost around > > > > > > £100,000 in benefits and in the legal system around their 'petty' > > > > > > crimes (like throwing a fire-bomb at a family home). One of the > > > > > > women > > > > > > on the course applied for a gardening programme only to be told it > > > > > > was > > > > > > only for people who had committed crimes. One could go on, but this > > > > > > is the problem - what is going on is so obvious we shouldn't have to > > > > > > explain and describe it, but already be working on putting things > > > > > > right. > > > > > > My guess is that we need control of the small things that make life > > > > > > reasonably free, and that we have actually become cowed by authority > > > > > > systems we won't see. The 'Baby P' case in the UK is a classic. > > > > > > It's > > > > > > clear none of the participants in this baby's cruel life and death > > > > > > was > > > > > > prepared to act on the obvious evidence of eye and good sense. > > > > > > These > > > > > > people were cops, social workers, doctors and so on, all caught up > > > > > > in > > > > > > cowardly kow-tow. The whistle-blowers were all crudely stamped > > > > > > down, > > > > > > as surely as the young child shouting out the 'Emperor is naked' > > > > > > would > > > > > > be hung as a witch. Our systems are already 'sacred' in that they > > > > > > have eliminated fair criticism through a taboo of fear. I am > > > > > > materialist only in believing that anything divine should not simply > > > > > > be attained by averting eyes, though I believe something more > > > > > > spiritual has to be part of our daily affairs. I believe it can be > > > > > > organised - though the rub is we need control of the organising > > > > > > through a system in which integrity is demonstrated, not made sacred > > > > > > in a regime of truth. The divine may be fine, but sadly it can be > > > > > > faked. > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
