It does?
On Jun 28, 11:41 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
> SD - "Gotta luv ya mon! You keep on keepin on bro!" = no, to all the
> above
>
> :-(
>
> peace & Love
>
> On Jun 28, 11:09 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Gotta luv ya mon! You keep on keepin on bro!
>
> > On Jun 28, 10:58 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > I am the catalyst, I am doing what is necessary to breakthrough to
> > > understanding.
>
> > > Lashing out against the system will not do any good. Understanding the
> > > basic operation/drive of the system and affecting it is the only way
> > > to change the system.
> > > 'Rule overrules right' is a working formula for understanding the
> > > operation/drive of the system (Society).
> > > Do you understand it?
> > > Can you discuss it?
> > > How about the connection in our mind that is common to all mankind?
> > > Can you talk about a way to make it commonly understood and recognized
> > > with a universal symbol?
>
> > > I've been "on with this" for eight years.
> > > I am doing, to get "on with this" discussed as an idea and realized as
> > > a possibility.
>
> > > Would you like to help? It's your world too, ya know? :-)
>
> > > peace & Love
>
> > > On Jun 28, 10:03 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > You are delivering old news Tinker!
>
> > > > Just make it happen, be the catalyst!
>
> > > > Or are you afraid and trying to get others to lash out against the
> > > > system?
>
> > > > You've been on with this since day one but what are you doing about
> > > > it?
>
> > > > Do it mon!
>
> > > > On Jun 28, 7:52 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Archy and Orn,
>
> > > > > It seems to me that you both know the system in control of the world
> > > > > we Live in is totally fucked.
>
> > > > > "I tend to like countervailing structures and to know who is governing
> > > > > what. *I fear this is on the decline.*" - Arch
> > > > > The later is a bit of an understatement. The common people of the
> > > > > world have not seen any reference to the 'true rulers' governing the
> > > > > world for many years. The closest you'll get to the truth is the
> > > > > conspiracy theories of some extremist groups.
>
> > > > > "what is going on is so obvious we shouldn't have to explain and
> > > > > describe it, but already be working on putting things right." - Arch
> > > > > The system is fucked! The system is of control of the masses by a few.
> > > > > The ways of the system are never going to change the system, the
> > > > > system will evolve to become more efficient.
>
> > > > > The "small things" that allow some to maintain the assumption of being
> > > > > "reasonably free" are supported by the connection in our mind to the
> > > > > collective intelligence. The system is progressing towards overcoming
> > > > > that and has been successful to the point that the free thinkers are
> > > > > considered radical by the masses.
>
> > > > > "though I believe something more spiritual has to be part of our daily
> > > > > affairs." - Arch
> > > > > "something more spiritual", like the connection in our mind that
> > > > > substantiates spiritual beliefs?
> > > > > "has to be part of our daily affairs.", like recognized with a common
> > > > > definition attributed to a universal symbol?
> > > > > Hmmm..., sounds like the beginning of a plan to actually affect a
> > > > > change in the way of the system :-)
>
> > > > > "There is no way to the divine that I know of that simply ignores
> > > > > appearances." - Orn
> > > > > Absolutely! The system is the absolute of our Society. Ignoring the
> > > > > system as the element keeping us from the divine will keep us from
> > > > > achieving it. "Organization" is established by the rule of the system
> > > > > and complicates the 'idea' that we are ONE.
> > > > > A *non-system remedy* - "would have to be based upon the fundamental
> > > > > structure of mind itself. In no other way could integrity be
> > > > > demonstrated." - Orn
> > > > > "fundamental structure of mind itself", the connection to our
> > > > > collective intelligence?
> > > > > "In no other way could integrity be demonstrated". = The only way to
> > > > > establish Unity :-)
>
> > > > > peace & Love
>
> > > > > On Jun 27, 9:37 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > “…I am materialist only in believing that anything divine should not
> > > > > > simply be attained by averting eyes, though I believe something more
> > > > > > spiritual has to be part of our daily affairs. I believe it can be
> > > > > > organised - though the rub is we need control of the organising
> > > > > > through a system in which integrity is demonstrated, not made sacred
> > > > > > in a regime of truth. The divine may be fine, but sadly it can be
> > > > > > faked. Somewhere, somehow, we need to be able to contribute, have
> > > > > > this recognised and be left alone yet not isolated from support we
> > > > > > should expect from our contributions. We probably have the
> > > > > > technology
> > > > > > to organise this for the first time…” – Neil
>
> > > > > > Fully agreed upon Neil!
>
> > > > > > Your first part about ‘averting eyes’ immediately brought to mind
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > Beatles song which includes the words “..living is easy with eyes
> > > > > > closed misunderstanding all you see…”
>
> > > > > >http://www.metrolyrics.com/strawberry-fields-forever-lyrics-beatles.html
>
> > > > > >http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Strawberry+Fields+Forever
>
> > > > > > There is no way to the divine that I know of that simply ignores
> > > > > > appearances. To me, such a notion is absurd. Organization would seem
> > > > > > to be innate for anything in fact of the oneness of us all. Further,
> > > > > > such a ‘system’ would have to be based upon the fundamental
> > > > > > structure
> > > > > > of mind itself. In no other way could integrity be demonstrated.
> > > > > > And,
> > > > > > yes, charlatans abound. Without an agreed upon view including
> > > > > > method,
> > > > > > goals etc., the omnipresent attempts at coerced uniting will
> > > > > > continue.
>
> > > > > > On Jun 26, 9:55 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > I would guess we are all troubled by that focus on words that
> > > > > > > leads to
> > > > > > > a myriad of books that only help in obscure ways and which makes
> > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > industry out of the clutter. I'm at the end of a long experiment
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > need to write up. Orn's a bit older than me, but we have both
> > > > > > > harked
> > > > > > > back to a time when jobs could pay pretty well and didn't seem to
> > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > in short supply. These days, I despair that the main industry is
> > > > > > > about providing useless training for jobs that aren't there. I
> > > > > > > do see
> > > > > > > a case for us all to need to be able to 'see the Emperor naked'
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > further to be able to talk about the madness and not inventions
> > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > the 'clothes'.
> > > > > > > I was at a two-day training event this week, based on utter cock
> > > > > > > derived from a book called 'Chicken Soup for the Soul' - all
> > > > > > > homilies
> > > > > > > around being rejected 132 times before publication and the
> > > > > > > success of
> > > > > > > self-made men and women who have triumphed over adversity.
> > > > > > > Everyone
> > > > > > > there could see this within minutes of the start. All anyone
> > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > wanted was a job that would bring some security - this being the
> > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > thing not on offer. All the stories were known to me to be as
> > > > > > > false
> > > > > > > as claims made at pyramid selling events. The book of invisible
> > > > > > > thread had apparently sold 195 million copies - very scary. The
> > > > > > > trainer seemed to be a believer, though a fairly good egg who
> > > > > > > reminded
> > > > > > > me of my Auntie Jean. What capitalism offered once was the
> > > > > > > chance of
> > > > > > > a decent wage and the ability to move on to another - my guess is
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > what we liked about it was the freedom from the overbearing
> > > > > > > authority
> > > > > > > of people with riches and the ranking system of education and
> > > > > > > equivalents of the Domesday Book.
> > > > > > > On my way home, I saw one of the idiots who was allowed to cause
> > > > > > > so
> > > > > > > much grief to me and Sue when they lived next door. He was
> > > > > > > driving a
> > > > > > > car. He is nearly always drunk or drugged and can't have a
> > > > > > > licence,
> > > > > > > is probably disqualified, the vehicle probably unsafe and so on.
> > > > > > > He
> > > > > > > and his partner have lived by defrauding benefits and crime for
> > > > > > > over
> > > > > > > 20 years. She is on trial for arson and awaiting sentence for a
> > > > > > > serious assault. They are an industry - every year they cost
> > > > > > > around
> > > > > > > £100,000 in benefits and in the legal system around their 'petty'
> > > > > > > crimes (like throwing a fire-bomb at a family home). One of the
> > > > > > > women
> > > > > > > on the course applied for a gardening programme only to be told
> > > > > > > it was
> > > > > > > only for people who had committed crimes. One could go on, but
> > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > is the problem - what is going on is so obvious we shouldn't have
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > explain and describe it, but already be working on putting things
> > > > > > > right.
> > > > > > > My guess is that we need control of the small things that make
> > > > > > > life
> > > > > > > reasonably free, and that we have actually become cowed by
> > > > > > > authority
> > > > > > > systems we won't see. The 'Baby P' case in the UK is a classic.
> > > > > > > It's
> > > > > > > clear none of the participants in this baby's cruel life and
> > > > > > > death was
> > > > > > > prepared to act on the obvious evidence of eye and good sense.
> > > > > > > These
> > > > > > > people were cops, social workers, doctors and so on, all caught
> > > > > > > up in
> > > > > > > cowardly kow-tow. The whistle-blowers were all crudely stamped
> > > > > > > down,
> > > > > > > as surely as the young child shouting out the 'Emperor is naked'
> > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > be hung as a witch. Our systems are already 'sacred' in that they
> > > > > > > have eliminated fair criticism through a taboo of fear. I am
> > > > > > > materialist only in
>
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