I agree with Tinker - I'd say we wake most days with a hangover from a
date-rape drug and barely know what is happening to us, rather knowing
we have been stiffed.  The penny has not dropped, even though the
reasons for the trauma will be plain once we can see them.  The
metaphor for our system might well be child abuse.  I was worn out
long ago trying to get some reasonable change.  It's more or less
impossible unless there are enough decent people about, and you have
some 'near and dear' support.  Catalysts are often quickly poisoned.
In the UK we are probably on the verge of revolution - an unlikely
place, most would think.  We are a clapped-out old colonial power in
an age of decadence (being Britain, this is decadence without
money!).  No one gives a damn about anyone else - the best examples of
this are the bits and pieces of disaster reviews we get to see after
people die.  Even those you might suppose to be our 'finest' - cops,
social workers, doctors, health visitors and the whole wad of
politicians - all these turn out to be utterly crap and incapable of
acting even on very clear evidence. It's clear they lie in internal
reporting and that supposed regulation is useless because it only
finds anything out after unnecessary deaths.  I say revolution because
we are either going to find ways to work openly and have an open
politics, or we are going to spend a long time in the pit.  I hope we
go forwards, but our politics is more or less non-existent or
infiltrated by interests that are far more powerful than our vote.
It would be lovely if Blair could be linked to "American interests"
long before the idiot Iraq fiasco (novels already have him or his wife
as CIA) - but the real issues concern most of us being uninformed, not
bright and so on - all severe problems for democratic solutions.  The
answer is presumably not the old one of the great man and lies in
something more collective (bees and cockroaches manage it).  This is
not obvious stuff by any means - as a populace we are easily
manipulable and our genetics predispose us to some behaviour that is
not democratic or rational.  Most of us are swayed by advertising (and
in denial about it) and gullible to Madoff-like scams - hardly
surprising politicians can act by preventing access to information we
need (and the investigation processes to get to it) and promising
again on promises broken for the last hundred years.  Maybe Tink has a
proven case, but he sure ain't revealed it to us - unlike the guy who
blew Madoff out to the SEC 10 years ago, raising them to Defcon levels
of inactivity.

On 29 June, 08:57, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
> from the "Art of War" by Sunzi in the 6th century B.C.E. "One may know how
> to conquer without being able to do it."  .... "to see the sun and the moon
> is no sign of sharp sight; to hear the noise of thunder is no sign of a
> quick ear."
> Allan
>
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 9:02 AM, frantheman 
> <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 29 Jun., 07:21, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > to not answer = 'no' answer
>
> > > Doesn't it? :-)
>
> > a question is not answered because readers don't consider it
> > worth answering.
>
> > *** (wonders) Why am I answering this? ... ***
>
> > Francis
>
> ;o)
>
> --
> (
>  )
> I_D Allan
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