Chris actually got this round going back on Aug 2, 1:11 pm with his
series of one-liners but I'd like to see the both of you in this as
well.

Nice summary Francis.  Yes, I can see we are both arguing along very
similar lines and aiming at the same goal.  But I'd like to see you
and Chris get into the fray as well.  The more voices the more stable
and productive the discussion would be.  After all, we each know each
other well enough to assess each others words fairly well.

/e

On Aug 3, 9:23 am, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote:
> Now this is what I call a discussion, Vam and gruff! (BB47 and
> deripsni could both learn from you :-))
>
> Maybe it's because the three of us have been around here for a while
> that I can really appreciate what both of you are saying, because I
> know something about the way the two of you think about a lot of
> things. Actually, I see you both arguing along similar lines; Vam has
> a professional background in systems analysis and quality management
> and has a lot of experience in the practical work of building, using
> and changing systems, while keeping his gaze frimly fixed on the goals
> (QM as it should be be, but, in my experience, so seldom is); gruff as
> someone who sees people/societies trying stuff, getting into messes,
> starting over and, somehow, sometimes, getting it a bit more right the
> next time (that old 51%/49% optimistic analogy that I often doubt but
> always admire).
>
> So ... I think I'll stay out of this for a while and hope you both
> carry on!
>
> Francis

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