Gruff, my " system " is not religion or whatever. It is more of the kind what lies between INPUT and OUTPUT, the software ( policies, values, checks, demand of action, etc.) and hardware ( people in a structured organisation and enabling equipments ).
I am speaking of details, both value directives and action processes. And, I am not fixated ( or limited ) to " free market." I want the mission statement and attention to goals and objectives derived from it. The vision has always been there. My talisman is the same that Gandhi had : the tears and suffering of the last man in the queue. Whatever the philosophy, all wealth creation must pass that test. The results need to be delivered, and not endlessly looked forward to as you suggest. In fact, one can almost predict the next crisis with some accuracy, if the same system continues. If you ask me, I prefer the socialist ideals but would adopt the moderated capitalist methods to achieve them. It is the ' hard ' segregations such as conservative and democrat, capitalist and socialist, that must give way to something more soft, more unified, more holistic, and more inclusive. There is nothing here to argue about, Gruff ! We may have different values and life - view, focus and perspective. On Aug 3, 6:32 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > The system is at fault? I can't buy that rationale for denial at > all. The system did not exist till people created it. We gave up the > natural system of living eons ago for the sometimes questionable path > of creating our own, but it is undeniable that we created any and all > of the systems we have had over our conscious history. So if the > system is what is causing our problems, then it has to come back home > to us since we created that system. > > A system that would or even could prevent human larcenies, connivances > and greed? I wonder what that might be, Vam? I don't mean to be > sarcastic but we have been trying for at least ten thousand years of > civilized history to figure out how to get people to behave and have > failed miserably. Our mightiest attempt was religion but it's clear > that has failed as gigantically and it's not even filling the churches > anymore. Then we tried law and punishment but that too has failed to > do any more than fill our prisons. Lesser attempts include > philosophy, psychology, psychiatry, and appealing to our own self- > interest and they too have all failed. > > Now I'm no expert on human behavior -- I don't even know how to > control my own the way I'd like -- but having almost seven decades > under my belt I think has given me some insight into at least my own > condition and might possibly lend to some greater insight into the > condition of our species by extrapolation. I don't want to bore > anyone because I've brought this issue up many times before and it > never seemed to impress, but to my perspective and understanding fear > is the root cause of human misbehavior. If we as a people, as a > society, could learn how to deal with our fears better, could learn > how to discern between real fear and those we create in our own hearts > and minds, > > Once we learn how to resolve our fears so they don't lead to larcenous > and destructive behavior the sooner we will be able to work > effectively and with a healthy self-interest the sooner we can make > this or any other system of government work the way we all know it can > work. > > On Aug 3, 2:13 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > " The system isn't at fault. People are. People use the system to > > work their connivances and larcenies. They'd use any system. ... > > will be successful. I'm certain of it." > > > Gruff, I find no realism in your optimism. It would be realistic only > > if you accepted that the system is at fault. That, people being what > > they are, we could have a better system, which will prevent their > > greed, connivances and larcenies. > > > It would be realistic only if you accepted that we now, after all that > > we have suffered for the greed and unhealthy motivations of the few, > > are not only capable of but are also interested in changing the system > > to something better, to one that prevents human greed, unhealthy > > manipulations, connivances and larcenies, and a reccurence of such > > failures we seen before. > > > With such learning from experience ploughed back to make for a more > > robust and fail - safe system, our optimism would seem more > > reasonable, hence realistic.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
