yea > Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 02:17:16 -0500 > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Quantum Dream Travel (revisited) > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > > I very seldom remember my dreams and when I do they are most often > disturbing. Terrifying sometimes. I have been stabbed so many times > I've developed an irrational fear of knives being handled by anyone > besides me. Am I some sort of freak? > > dj > > > On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Slip Disc<[email protected]> wrote: > > > > D, > > Appreciate your view, freedom from conscious thought. Dreams are > > definitely as much an outlet as they are an opportunity for > > introspection. I'm not sure that I would agree that they represent > > ones true inner feelings, not in the context of what I was presenting, > > the quantum travel aspect which shifts the "self" into another gear, > > another consciousness, possibly not your own consciousness. > > In the dream realm we could be anywhere or anyone at one time or > > another. I think dreams are more complex than that which you > > present. Considering the many types of dreams, it seems that simple > > diagnosis of dreams is not possible or at least not easily > > interpreted. For one, a premonitory dream would have nothing > > personally to do with the self if the dream is portraying an impending > > situation. If you had a dream of someone going into a club and > > setting off a bomb and then saw the news of it a few days later, what > > would the dream have to do with "your" inner feelings or state of well > > being? > > The crux of this thread really is about the parallel aspect of > > dreaming, the quantum travel in the dream state that is not possible > > in the conscious realm. > > You are dreaming, you are at a party in Japan, you are enjoying > > yourself, suddenly you wake up in your bed. Question, were you really > > there?, is the party still going on even though you left and in a > > quantum leap returned to the conscious world in which you physically > > live. However, again, was the person at the party in Japan really you > > or did you somehow "tune in" to someones consciousness at a party in > > Japan? > > In our conscious world we can't just say excuse me I think I'm going > > to go to a party in Japan, see you later. In the dream realm that is > > exactly what we may be able to do, travel. > > > > On Aug 14, 5:50 am, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > >> To me, dreams represent the freedom of conscious thought, and are a > >> sub-concious reflection of ones true inner feelings, brought to life > >> unimpeded by physcial road blocks. I think they display the real state > >> of the union of a persons emotional wellbeing. > >> > >> Although some of my dreams are similar to idle contemplation in that > >> they don't have a conceived structure, I consider the "mood" of the > >> dream to be more relevant than the details, which can as be bizarre > >> and unworldly as the imagination allows. How one feels in the dream > >> seems to be reflective of how a person generally feels. Is the dream > >> happy, fearful, violent, etc.? > >> > >> As far as a dream being a connection with another planet or parallel > >> universe is concerned, I have never felt this to be the case myself. > >> OBE's are another story, but one isn't sleeping/dreaming during an > >> OBE. In a dream, one can be wherever their imagination takes them, but > >> I rather doubt that it is actually travel. I have felt disorientation, > >> or being in two places at once, but again, not in a dream. Interesting > >> idea though. > >> > >> On Aug 13, 7:21 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> > The discussion on eternity, time and space sparked a memory of an old > >> > thread I started back in September 08, and considering the amount of > >> > new members I thought it would be relevant and revealing. It seems > >> > the archives in ME have been swiped clean because I couldn't find any > >> > old threads. So......... > >> > >> > Are we experiencing quantum travel in our dreams? > >> > >> > Sometimes I wonder, when I dream and it feels as if I am physically in > >> > another place, if that dream is a manifestation of my subconscious > >> > mind > >> > or if I am experiencing a consciousness in a parallel universe or > >> > within another dimension of our own universe, within our time or > >> > another time. Recently astronomers found a smaller version of our own > >> > solar system 5,000 light-years across the galaxy, this is the first > >> > planetary system that really > >> > looks like our own, with outer giant planets and room for smaller > >> > inner planets. Of course it is beyond our reach physically but what > >> > about our capacity to subconsciously travel through the hypothetical > >> > mesh of energy in quantum physics. These energy formulations present > >> > travel that exponentially exceeds the speed of light. Therefore, I > >> > would hypothesize that the subconscious mind in the dream state > >> > possibly enters the zero-point field, traveling to another part of our > >> > universe, solar system or the next solar system. Possibly my dream > >> > could be taking place on the other side of the planet or the other > >> > side of the universe. Perhaps Krypton even {;-] > >> > >> > I find some degree of correlation with dreams and the concept of time > >> > travel which according to wikipedia is defined as the concept of > >> > moving between different moments in time in a manner analogous to > >> > moving between different points in space, either sending objects (or > >> > in some cases just information) backwards in time to a moment > >> > beforethe present, or sending objects forward from the present to the > >> > future > >> > without the need to experience the intervening period (at least not at > >> > the normal rate). Some interpretations of time travel also suggest > >> > that an attempt to travel backwards in time might take one to a > >> > parallel universe to diverge from the traveler's original history > >> > after the moment the traveler arrived in the past. Although time > >> > travel has been a common plot device in fiction since the 19th > >> > century, and one-way travel into the future is arguably possible given > >> > the phenomenon of time dilation based on velocity in the theory of > >> > special relativity (exemplified by the twin paradox) as well as > >> > gravitational time dilation in the theory of general relativity, it is > >> > currently unknown whether the laws of physics would allow backwards > >> > time travel. Any technological device, whether fictional or > >> > hypothetical, that is used to achieve two-way time travel is known as > >> > a time machine. > >> > >> > I do enjoy the Time Machine movies past and present and see some > >> > validity in the concept. If you look in your yard you may see nothing > >> > at the time but possibly there is something there but you can't see it > >> > because it exists in that exact place but only in a different time. > >> > Something like the twin towers if you were standing at ground zero and > >> > could turn back time you would see them because they are there in that > >> > time. > >> > >> > Lynn McTaggart's book The Field connects our physical world with that > >> > of the cosmos. This correlation is considered to be the basis for > >> > spiritual healing and other earth space phenomena. This basically > >> > presents a direct connection of the scientific world with that of the > >> > spiritual world. Considering that dreams are of significant relevance > >> > in biblical scripture, I would not dismiss these theoretical > >> > explorations as whimsical notions. Old and New Testament scripture > >> > clearly indicate the importance of dream acknowledgment. > >> > >> > Walter Brueggermann, professor emeritus of Old Testament at Columbia > >> > Theological Seminary in Decatur, Georgia writes....... The ancient > >> > world and the biblical tradition knew about dreams. The > >> > ancients understood that the unbidden communication in the night opens > >> > sleepers to a world different from the one they manage during the day. > >> > The ancients dared to imagine, moreover, that this unbidden > >> > communication is one venue in which the holy purposes of God, > >> > perplexing and unreasonable as they might be, come to us. They knew > >> > too that this communication is not obvious. It requires > >> > interpretation. > >> > >> > Freud, of course, did not link dreams to the holy, which he regarded > >> > as an illusion. He worked to put dream interpretation on a scientific > >> > footing, transposing the religious dimension of dreams into a > >> > psychological reality. Dreams were taken to be disclosure of the > >> > denied part of the self particularly the self’s repressed desires. > >> > Though he transposed dreams from religious to psychological realities, > >> > Freud nonetheless utilized a rabbinic-midrashic interpretive method, > >> > which involved a patient probing of multi-layered meanings and the > >> > inscrutable, enigmatic dimensions of life. Dreams, like ancient texts, > >> > require imaginative interpretation in order for us to receive what > >> > they disclose. > >> > >> > Personally I stand ambivalent in this area of the scientific or > >> > spiritual approach to dreaming. I know that I have experienced > >> > powerful dreams, some of which seem as though I am physically > >> > somewhere else, while others appear as I'm without physical form but > >> > merely a detached consciousness beyond the actual location of my > >> > physical being. What remains as the most difficult task is not only > >> > the interpretation of dreams but what to do with the knowledge > >> > attained in the dream state. > >> > >> > Perhaps theories of time travel are validated within the realm of > >> > dream states through cosmic dimensions. > >> > >> > There was a movie released in 1984 titled Dreamscape in which people > >> > endowed with psychic abilities were used, in a dream lab study, to > >> > enter into the dream of another person thereby helping to dissolve > >> > reoccurring nightmares. Upon entering the dream the psychic could > >> > physically move about with the patient in the patients dream with the > >> > objective of confronting the cause of the nightmare. Of course there > >> > are the devious characters who in the plot try to utilize the psychics > >> > for their own agenda. But aside from that I found the concept very > >> > interesting as it presents the aspect of a control mechanism > >> > pertaining to the dream state. Imagine that you could fall asleep and > >> > direct yourself to the Olympic games for a few hours and then upon > >> > waking up remembering it all as a dream. This would be the ultimate > >> > achievement of dream study. > >> > >> > If I have a dream that I am smoking a cigarette, I may be in a state > >> > of consciousness without a physical form or more or less tuning into > >> > the conscious physical form of another person who is smoking a > >> > cigarette. Unless I can identify my physical form within a dream, and > >> > establish that it is actually me, then it can possibly be determined > >> > that the experience is that of someone else. Let's say someone is > >> > standing on a beach smoking, that person's mental energy becomes part > >> > of the universal cosmic energy field. I fall asleep and my > >> > subconscious becomes temporarily attuned to that person thereby > >> > appearing as if I were smoking when in fact I awake to find I have > >> > not. If I can ascertain the lucidity of the dream and see myself, > >> > let's say in a mirror, smoking the cigarette then I would have to > >> > give some thought to this theory of dream travel with the added > >> > element of time. This may explain why some people dream of things yet > >> > to occur in premonitory/precognitive dreams. > >> > >> > Amiel, the philosopher, writes: "In dreams, our individuality isn't > >> > >> > closed; the whole environment is, so to speak, wrapped in it; it is > >> > the scenery and all its contents, including us. The individual who is > >> > dreaming is being dissolved into the universal fantasy of > >> > maya*..." (Amiel, Journal Intime, 1 12 1892) > >> > >> > *Maya, in Indian religions, has multiple meanings. Maya, is the > >> > principal deity who creates, perpetuates and governs the > >> > phantasmagoria, illusion and dream of duality in the phenomenal > >> > Universe. For some mystics this manifestation is real, but it is a > >> > fleeting reality; it is a mistake, although a natural one, to believe > >> > that Maya represents a fundamental reality or Truth. Each person, each > >> > physical object, from the perspective of eternity is like a brief, > >> > disturbed drop of water from an unbounded ocean. The goal of > >> > enlightenment is to understand this — more precisely, to experience > >> > this: to see intuitively that the distinction between the self and > >> > the > >> > Universe is a false > >> > >> ... > >> > >> read more » > > > > > > > >
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