You may have a different level of dreaming, you are analyzing dreams on the conscious rational level and therefore seem to allude to imagination. Of course we could sit and imagine but that is first level and not consistent with REM sleep modes. While it is true that many dreams are simple constructs of inner psychological fragments, there is another level of dreaming, one that takes me (one for sure) to other places where I interact with others in what seems to be a real time conscious event. Upon wakening I know that it was not just an ordinary dream. I can have 50 dreams in a month but few will be at the extreme level. A re-read of the op, specifically to the reference to Taggarts cosmos correlation and of course the Weiss reseach that Molly has added, the Einstein theories, the discoveries of numerous parallel universes, and myriad other cosmological phenomena may indeed allow for a more open view beyond the mundane physical sense.
On Aug 15, 5:13 am, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > You may be partying in Japan, but to me, this is the same as imagining > you are on a tropical island when you are actually ensconsed in a snow > storm in the Arctic. The imagination is not constrained by time/space > and is free to put ones mind in any "place" it wants to be. Are you > really "there"? Not physically but, like spirit, imagination is > everywhere and does not reside in any place, although it seems to > originate from ones "mind". > > I believe dreams are similar to imagination, but the events of the > dream happen because of recent thought, maybe something you read or > saw on TV. They can also be reflective of an emotional experience, a > perceived threat, or whatever. To me, dreams are almost like > meditiation. Once the mind is free from conscious thought, it is freed > up to go in any direction it wants. This is when true fears or joy > freely express themselves, often mixed with a cornucopia of items that > are part of ones daily life. > > I learned long ago to initiate flying dreams by thinking about > certaiin things while lying in bed before sleep. This did not always > work, but then I learned to be able to pick up a dream if woken up > during it. I think this may be the kindergarten steps of lucid > dreaming. My OBE's were not lucid dreams because I was still awake, at > least I thought I was! > > When flying, I cruise around but am never really cognizant of being in > a specific location. I enjoy the thrill of flying and convincing > others that they too can fly if they trust their ability to do such. > When I am flying through the air, my body is lying in the bed. I do > not think of this as travelling. > > I guess I don't fully understand the "quantum dream travel concept". > It certainly isn't molecular transfer. According to the theory I think > you are talking about, would it not be possible to physically wake up > in Japan if one was actually travelling? Of course, this is impossible > so, from what I understand of your thread, I don't think we are > travelling at all. > > On Aug 14, 10:12 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > D, > > Appreciate your view, freedom from conscious thought. Dreams are > > definitely as much an outlet as they are an opportunity for > > introspection. I'm not sure that I would agree that they represent > > ones true inner feelings, not in the context of what I was presenting, > > the quantum travel aspect which shifts the "self" into another gear, > > another consciousness, possibly not your own consciousness. > > In the dream realm we could be anywhere or anyone at one time or > > another. I think dreams are more complex than that which you > > present. Considering the many types of dreams, it seems that simple > > diagnosis of dreams is not possible or at least not easily > > interpreted. For one, a premonitory dream would have nothing > > personally to do with the self if the dream is portraying an impending > > situation. If you had a dream of someone going into a club and > > setting off a bomb and then saw the news of it a few days later, what > > would the dream have to do with "your" inner feelings or state of well > > being? > > The crux of this thread really is about the parallel aspect of > > dreaming, the quantum travel in the dream state that is not possible > > in the conscious realm. > > You are dreaming, you are at a party in Japan, you are enjoying > > yourself, suddenly you wake up in your bed. Question, were you really > > there?, is the party still going on even though you left and in a > > quantum leap returned to the conscious world in which you physically > > live. However, again, was the person at the party in Japan really you > > or did you somehow "tune in" to someones consciousness at a party in > > Japan? > > In our conscious world we can't just say excuse me I think I'm going > > to go to a party in Japan, see you later. In the dream realm that is > > exactly what we may be able to do, travel. > > > On Aug 14, 5:50 am, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > To me, dreams represent the freedom of conscious thought, and are a > > > sub-concious reflection of ones true inner feelings, brought to life > > > unimpeded by physcial road blocks. I think they display the real state > > > of the union of a persons emotional wellbeing. > > > > Although some of my dreams are similar to idle contemplation in that > > > they don't have a conceived structure, I consider the "mood" of the > > > dream to be more relevant than the details, which can as be bizarre > > > and unworldly as the imagination allows. How one feels in the dream > > > seems to be reflective of how a person generally feels. Is the dream > > > happy, fearful, violent, etc.? > > > > As far as a dream being a connection with another planet or parallel > > > universe is concerned, I have never felt this to be the case myself. > > > OBE's are another story, but one isn't sleeping/dreaming during an > > > OBE. In a dream, one can be wherever their imagination takes them, but > > > I rather doubt that it is actually travel. I have felt disorientation, > > > or being in two places at once, but again, not in a dream. Interesting > > > idea though. > > > > On Aug 13, 7:21 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > The discussion on eternity, time and space sparked a memory of an old > > > > thread I started back in September 08, and considering the amount of > > > > new members I thought it would be relevant and revealing. It seems > > > > the archives in ME have been swiped clean because I couldn't find any > > > > old threads. So......... > > > > > Are we experiencing quantum travel in our dreams? > > > > > Sometimes I wonder, when I dream and it feels as if I am physically in > > > > another place, if that dream is a manifestation of my subconscious > > > > mind > > > > or if I am experiencing a consciousness in a parallel universe or > > > > within another dimension of our own universe, within our time or > > > > another time. Recently astronomers found a smaller version of our own > > > > solar system 5,000 light-years across the galaxy, this is the first > > > > planetary system that really > > > > looks like our own, with outer giant planets and room for smaller > > > > inner planets. Of course it is beyond our reach physically but what > > > > about our capacity to subconsciously travel through the hypothetical > > > > mesh of energy in quantum physics. These energy formulations present > > > > travel that exponentially exceeds the speed of light. Therefore, I > > > > would hypothesize that the subconscious mind in the dream state > > > > possibly enters the zero-point field, traveling to another part of our > > > > universe, solar system or the next solar system. Possibly my dream > > > > could be taking place on the other side of the planet or the other > > > > side of the universe. Perhaps Krypton even {;-] > > > > > I find some degree of correlation with dreams and the concept of time > > > > travel which according to wikipedia is defined as the concept of > > > > moving between different moments in time in a manner analogous to > > > > moving between different points in space, either sending objects (or > > > > in some cases just information) backwards in time to a moment > > > > beforethe present, or sending objects forward from the present to the > > > > future > > > > without the need to experience the intervening period (at least not at > > > > the normal rate). Some interpretations of time travel also suggest > > > > that an attempt to travel backwards in time might take one to a > > > > parallel universe to diverge from the traveler's original history > > > > after the moment the traveler arrived in the past. Although time > > > > travel has been a common plot device in fiction since the 19th > > > > century, and one-way travel into the future is arguably possible given > > > > the phenomenon of time dilation based on velocity in the theory of > > > > special relativity (exemplified by the twin paradox) as well as > > > > gravitational time dilation in the theory of general relativity, it is > > > > currently unknown whether the laws of physics would allow backwards > > > > time travel. Any technological device, whether fictional or > > > > hypothetical, that is used to achieve two-way time travel is known as > > > > a time machine. > > > > > I do enjoy the Time Machine movies past and present and see some > > > > validity in the concept. If you look in your yard you may see nothing > > > > at the time but possibly there is something there but you can't see it > > > > because it exists in that exact place but only in a different time. > > > > Something like the twin towers if you were standing at ground zero and > > > > could turn back time you would see them because they are there in that > > > > time. > > > > > Lynn McTaggart's book The Field connects our physical world with that > > > > of the cosmos. This correlation is considered to be the basis for > > > > spiritual healing and other earth space phenomena. This basically > > > > presents a direct connection of the scientific world with that of the > > > > spiritual world. Considering that dreams are of significant relevance > > > > in biblical scripture, I would not dismiss these theoretical > > > > explorations as whimsical notions. Old and New Testament scripture > > > > clearly indicate the importance of dream acknowledgment. > > > > > Walter Brueggermann, professor emeritus of Old Testament at Columbia > > > > Theological Seminary in Decatur, Georgia writes....... The ancient > > > > world and the biblical tradition knew about dreams. The > > > > ancients understood that the unbidden communication in the night opens > > > > sleepers to a world different from the one they manage during the day. > > > > The ancients dared to imagine, moreover, that this unbidden > > > > communication is one venue in which the holy purposes of God, > > > > perplexing and unreasonable as they might be, come to us. They knew > > > > too that this communication is not obvious. It requires > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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