Yes, interaction with real people, physical contact all inclusive of feelings, touching, pain. Not a visual within an obscurity setting but a physical reality of being at a place, standing on the floor knowing you are somewhere else and awareness of the dream. There was a great aspect of this that Pat had brought up in the original thread, that one could possibly within a dream, write a note and place it in a drawer and another could in a dream go to that drawer and find the note, call the other and reveal the contents of the note.
On Aug 15, 9:55 am, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > When you say, "interact with others", do you mean real people? If so, > how do you know they are real and not just a face that you are > communicating with in your dream? Also, if they are real, could you > exchange contact information and then meet with them? > > When I said dreams are sort of like imagination, I meant more like > idle contemplation, where incidents follow the lead of the mind, which > is roaming. If you construct a dream, follow an agenda within it, do > things in a precisely thought out manner, then that is a level of > dreamland that I have never acheived. If you have, I think that's > great! > > Although I have learned to acheive some level of control in my dream > state, it is not nearly as precise as this. I have no real interest in > having my dreams resemble a totally conscious state, where I am > planning something, and then executing it. I enjoy idle contemplation, > and like to be led where my freely roaming mind wants to take me. In > other words, I don't want to work in my dreams, I want to be > entertained, take whats around the corner and deal with it > instinctively. > > I want my dreams to be free flowing and reactionary when required. > There is enough concentrated effort in my daily life, and I want no > part of that in my night life. I actually prefer dreams where there > are no other people to communicate with, or maybe just one that I am > sharing something special with. > > Lucid dreams may be something like OBE's but I experienced them before > sleep. Actually dealing with another person on a particular issue in a > dream state is something that I do not aspire to. Communication with > another human has never been part of my OBE's and doing so while > sleeping is also nothing that I gravitate toward. > > On Aug 15, 10:06 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > You may have a different level of dreaming, you are analyzing dreams > > on the conscious rational level and therefore seem to allude to > > imagination. Of course we could sit and imagine but that is first > > level and not consistent with REM sleep modes. While it is true that > > many dreams are simple constructs of inner psychological fragments, > > there is another level of dreaming, one that takes me (one for sure) > > to other places where I interact with others in what seems to be a > > real time conscious event. Upon wakening I know that it was not just > > an ordinary dream. I can have 50 dreams in a month but few will be at > > the extreme level. > > A re-read of the op, specifically to the reference to Taggarts cosmos > > correlation and of course the Weiss reseach that Molly has added, the > > Einstein theories, the discoveries of numerous parallel universes, and > > myriad other cosmological phenomena may indeed allow for a more open > > view beyond the mundane physical sense. > > > On Aug 15, 5:13 am, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > You may be partying in Japan, but to me, this is the same as imagining > > > you are on a tropical island when you are actually ensconsed in a snow > > > storm in the Arctic. The imagination is not constrained by time/space > > > and is free to put ones mind in any "place" it wants to be. Are you > > > really "there"? Not physically but, like spirit, imagination is > > > everywhere and does not reside in any place, although it seems to > > > originate from ones "mind". > > > > I believe dreams are similar to imagination, but the events of the > > > dream happen because of recent thought, maybe something you read or > > > saw on TV. They can also be reflective of an emotional experience, a > > > perceived threat, or whatever. To me, dreams are almost like > > > meditiation. Once the mind is free from conscious thought, it is freed > > > up to go in any direction it wants. This is when true fears or joy > > > freely express themselves, often mixed with a cornucopia of items that > > > are part of ones daily life. > > > > I learned long ago to initiate flying dreams by thinking about > > > certaiin things while lying in bed before sleep. This did not always > > > work, but then I learned to be able to pick up a dream if woken up > > > during it. I think this may be the kindergarten steps of lucid > > > dreaming. My OBE's were not lucid dreams because I was still awake, at > > > least I thought I was! > > > > When flying, I cruise around but am never really cognizant of being in > > > a specific location. I enjoy the thrill of flying and convincing > > > others that they too can fly if they trust their ability to do such. > > > When I am flying through the air, my body is lying in the bed. I do > > > not think of this as travelling. > > > > I guess I don't fully understand the "quantum dream travel concept". > > > It certainly isn't molecular transfer. According to the theory I think > > > you are talking about, would it not be possible to physically wake up > > > in Japan if one was actually travelling? Of course, this is impossible > > > so, from what I understand of your thread, I don't think we are > > > travelling at all. > > > > On Aug 14, 10:12 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > D, > > > > Appreciate your view, freedom from conscious thought. Dreams are > > > > definitely as much an outlet as they are an opportunity for > > > > introspection. I'm not sure that I would agree that they represent > > > > ones true inner feelings, not in the context of what I was presenting, > > > > the quantum travel aspect which shifts the "self" into another gear, > > > > another consciousness, possibly not your own consciousness. > > > > In the dream realm we could be anywhere or anyone at one time or > > > > another. I think dreams are more complex than that which you > > > > present. Considering the many types of dreams, it seems that simple > > > > diagnosis of dreams is not possible or at least not easily > > > > interpreted. For one, a premonitory dream would have nothing > > > > personally to do with the self if the dream is portraying an impending > > > > situation. If you had a dream of someone going into a club and > > > > setting off a bomb and then saw the news of it a few days later, what > > > > would the dream have to do with "your" inner feelings or state of well > > > > being? > > > > The crux of this thread really is about the parallel aspect of > > > > dreaming, the quantum travel in the dream state that is not possible > > > > in the conscious realm. > > > > You are dreaming, you are at a party in Japan, you are enjoying > > > > yourself, suddenly you wake up in your bed. Question, were you really > > > > there?, is the party still going on even though you left and in a > > > > quantum leap returned to the conscious world in which you physically > > > > live. However, again, was the person at the party in Japan really you > > > > or did you somehow "tune in" to someones consciousness at a party in > > > > Japan? > > > > In our conscious world we can't just say excuse me I think I'm going > > > > to go to a party in Japan, see you later. In the dream realm that is > > > > exactly what we may be able to do, travel. > > > > > On Aug 14, 5:50 am, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > To me, dreams represent the freedom of conscious thought, and are a > > > > > sub-concious reflection of ones true inner feelings, brought to life > > > > > unimpeded by physcial road blocks. I think they display the real state > > > > > of the union of a persons emotional wellbeing. > > > > > > Although some of my dreams are similar to idle contemplation in that > > > > > they don't have a conceived structure, I consider the "mood" of the > > > > > dream to be more relevant than the details, which can as be bizarre > > > > > and unworldly as the imagination allows. How one feels in the dream > > > > > seems to be reflective of how a person generally feels. Is the dream > > > > > happy, fearful, violent, etc.? > > > > > > As far as a dream being a connection with another planet or parallel > > > > > universe is concerned, I have never felt this to be the case myself. > > > > > OBE's are another story, but one isn't sleeping/dreaming during an > > > > > OBE. In a dream, one can be wherever their imagination takes them, but > > > > > I rather doubt that it is actually travel. I have felt disorientation, > > > > > or being in two places at once, but again, not in a dream. Interesting > > > > > idea though. > > > > > > On Aug 13, 7:21 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > The discussion on eternity, time and space sparked a memory of an > > > > > > old > > > > > > thread I started back in September 08, and considering the amount of > > > > > > new members I thought it would be relevant and revealing. It seems > > > > > > the archives in ME have been swiped clean because I couldn't find > > > > > > any > > > > > > old threads. So......... > > > > > > > Are we experiencing quantum travel in our dreams? > > > > > > > Sometimes I wonder, when I dream and it feels as if I am physically > > > > > > in > > > > > > another place, if that dream is a manifestation of my subconscious > > > > > > mind > > > > > > or if I am experiencing a consciousness in a parallel universe or > > > > > > within another dimension of our own universe, within our time or > > > > > > another time. Recently astronomers found a smaller version of our > > > > > > own > > > > > > solar system 5,000 light-years across the galaxy, this is the first > > > > > > planetary system that really > > > > > > looks like our own, with outer giant planets and room for smaller > > > > > > inner planets. Of course it is beyond our reach physically but what > > > > > > about our capacity to subconsciously travel through the hypothetical > > > > > > mesh of energy in quantum physics. These energy formulations present > > > > > > travel that exponentially exceeds the speed of light. Therefore, I > > > > > > would hypothesize that the subconscious mind in the dream state > > > > > > possibly enters the zero-point field, traveling to another part of > > > > > > our > > > > > > universe, solar system or the next solar system. > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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