My Question On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 4:09 AM, Darrel Farrel <[email protected]> wrote:
> an eye for an eye is fair > Why do I need to be fair, I think forgiveness is fair and much easier. Allan > > > > Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 02:27:25 -0700 > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: revenge > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > All in all I think revenge is a moral and psycological deadend. > > > > It may feel good for a while to take vengance, but other than that > > little rush of feeling good what does it do in the long term? > > > > On 26 Aug, 05:12, facilitator <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I think of revenge for variuos reasons from time to time. Usually to > > > correct something or someone when I have been wronged. > > > > > > But I am not very clever in that regard and don't carry it out > > > thinking that somehow this "correction to an injustice" will spin out > > > of control and fall back on my head anyway. > > > > > > I have chosen to spend my time doing something proactive and > > > constructive instead. > > > > > > One of my famous sayings helps me in this regard: > > > "The opposite of love is not hate , it is indifference". > > > > > > I become indifferent to the offender. I am almost certain this has to > > > be wrong, but it works for me. > > > > > > Still, all in all, I would prefer for the most part to be the hammer > > > rather than the nail! > > > > > > On Aug 25, 9:11 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I saw you use the word revenge in the other thread Neil, I got > > > > the full body rush. Ugh, revenge - bad. But then I read your > amusing > > > > experience and I asked myself if I ever felt this way. The answer is > > > > yes. > > > > > > > At the end of my first marriage, my soon to be ex husband had an > > > > affair, and his girlfriend would call the house, let it ring twice > and > > > > hang up, or hang up if I answered before two rings. This got my > > > > attention when it began, so I started watching what became obvious > > > > between them. So I asked them both directly about it, and they both > > > > denied it. It went on for a bit longer before it occurred to me that > > > > I need not suffer the intrusion into my life. I called her home (she > > > > also was married with children) every hour for twenty four - day and > > > > night, for one twenty four hour period, and hung up after two rings > or > > > > if anyone answered. If my husband heard me doing this when he was > > > > home at night, he said nothing. Her husband was obviously not happy > > > > as the night wore on, as evidenced by the tone of his voice. Lucky > > > > for me, it was prior to caller ID telephones. Well, it worked for > > > > me. The calls stopped. Nothing was ever mentioned by anyone until > > > > one day a couple of years and after my divorce I got a call from her. > > > > She had gone into AA and wanted to make amends. I listened to her, > > > > encouraged her to continue with her program, and kindly let her know > > > > she was not welcome to call me again. > > > > > > > This, by the definitions above, would be revenge, although for me at > > > > the time, it was the only way I could think of to get the calls to > > > > stop. I wasn't thinking of getting even, but stopping the calls. I > > > > wasn't delighted in this poor families frustration, but glad the > calls > > > > stopped. > > > > > > > On Aug 25, 7:33 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > It's not a good idea to let a chimp see you give it an injection - > it > > > > > will take revenge. My guess amongst humans is that there is so > little > > > > > justice that revenge gets taken in all kinds of inappropriate ways. > > > > > The idiot wife beater may well be really pissed off over other > matters > > > > > and so on. Young Iranian boys off to get killed by Iraqi gas wore > > > > > socks marked 'Death to Israel'. From the Baltic to the Balkans one > > > > > set has taken revenge against another for over a thousand years. > In > > > > > Albania, the men have to stay indoors whilst the women toil in the > > > > > fields for fear of vendetta (no doubt a cunning sexist use of > > > > > 'revenge'). Petty revenge is nearly always taken out for the wrong > > > > > reasons against the wrong people. It's usually nasty and childish. > > > > > > > > On 25 Aug, 23:30, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I think you covered it all. > > > > > > > > > On Aug 25, 5:00 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Revenge or vengeance consists of retaliation against a person > or group > > > > > > > in response to perceived wrongdoing. Although many aspects of > revenge > > > > > > > resemble or echo the concept of making things equal, revenge > usually > > > > > > > has a more injurious than constructive goal. The vengeful wish > is to > > > > > > > make the perceived wrongdoer go through what they put the > victim > > > > > > > through or to make sure the wrongdoer can never do what they > did > > > > > > > again. > > > > > > > > > > Revenge has been a popular theme for art and culture throughout > > > > > > > history. Many popular motion pictures have used it as a central > theme, > > > > > > > including Payback, Death Wish, Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, > Star > > > > > > > Wars: Revenge of the Sith, and Kill Bill. Classic literary > examples of > > > > > > > revenge stories include The Oresteia, Hamlet, The Merchant of > Venice, > > > > > > > Don Giovanni, and Moby-Dick. > > > > > > > > > > Revenge seen in the light of ethics highlights the tension > between > > > > > > > what we think of a just versus what we think of as right. But > even in > > > > > > > the light of ethics, some may accept revenge as the ethical > > > > > > > alternative when an impartial system of justice is missing or > > > > > > > ineffective, reasoning that punishment of wrongdoers is a > better > > > > > > > alternative than no punishment whatsoever. In these cases, it > seems > > > > > > > reasonable that revenge may be an appropriate reaction to small > > > > > > > infractions, assuming the revenge is kept small as well. > > > > > > > > > > What do YOU think?- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > -- ( ) I_D Allan --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
