Which is another way of saying do wrong by all means, and if caught say sorry, isn't it?
Why that instead of 'Ask permison and never feel the need to say sorry'? On 28 Aug, 05:05, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > That's my motto but I'll share it. "Never ask for permission. Do > what you want and ask for forgiveness later." Words to live by. > > dj > > > > On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:36 AM, iam deheretic<[email protected]> wrote: > > My Question > > > On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 4:09 AM, Darrel Farrel <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> an eye for an eye is fair > > > Why do I need to be fair, I think forgiveness is fair and much easier. > > Allan > > >> > Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 02:27:25 -0700 > >> > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: revenge > >> > From: [email protected] > >> > To: [email protected] > > >> > All in all I think revenge is a moral and psycological deadend. > > >> > It may feel good for a while to take vengance, but other than that > >> > little rush of feeling good what does it do in the long term? > > >> > On 26 Aug, 05:12, facilitator <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > I think of revenge for variuos reasons from time to time. Usually to > >> > > correct something or someone when I have been wronged. > > >> > > But I am not very clever in that regard and don't carry it out > >> > > thinking that somehow this "correction to an injustice" will spin out > >> > > of control and fall back on my head anyway. > > >> > > I have chosen to spend my time doing something proactive and > >> > > constructive instead. > > >> > > One of my famous sayings helps me in this regard: > >> > > "The opposite of love is not hate , it is indifference". > > >> > > I become indifferent to the offender. I am almost certain this has to > >> > > be wrong, but it works for me. > > >> > > Still, all in all, I would prefer for the most part to be the hammer > >> > > rather than the nail! > > >> > > On Aug 25, 9:11 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > When I saw you use the word revenge in the other thread Neil, I got > >> > > > the full body rush. Ugh, revenge - bad. But then I read your > >> > > > amusing > >> > > > experience and I asked myself if I ever felt this way. The answer > >> > > > is > >> > > > yes. > > >> > > > At the end of my first marriage, my soon to be ex husband had an > >> > > > affair, and his girlfriend would call the house, let it ring twice > >> > > > and > >> > > > hang up, or hang up if I answered before two rings. This got my > >> > > > attention when it began, so I started watching what became obvious > >> > > > between them. So I asked them both directly about it, and they both > >> > > > denied it. It went on for a bit longer before it occurred to me > >> > > > that > >> > > > I need not suffer the intrusion into my life. I called her home > >> > > > (she > >> > > > also was married with children) every hour for twenty four - day and > >> > > > night, for one twenty four hour period, and hung up after two rings > >> > > > or > >> > > > if anyone answered. If my husband heard me doing this when he was > >> > > > home at night, he said nothing. Her husband was obviously not happy > >> > > > as the night wore on, as evidenced by the tone of his voice. Lucky > >> > > > for me, it was prior to caller ID telephones. Well, it worked for > >> > > > me. The calls stopped. Nothing was ever mentioned by anyone until > >> > > > one day a couple of years and after my divorce I got a call from > >> > > > her. > >> > > > She had gone into AA and wanted to make amends. I listened to her, > >> > > > encouraged her to continue with her program, and kindly let her know > >> > > > she was not welcome to call me again. > > >> > > > This, by the definitions above, would be revenge, although for me at > >> > > > the time, it was the only way I could think of to get the calls to > >> > > > stop. I wasn't thinking of getting even, but stopping the calls. I > >> > > > wasn't delighted in this poor families frustration, but glad the > >> > > > calls > >> > > > stopped. > > >> > > > On Aug 25, 7:33 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > It's not a good idea to let a chimp see you give it an injection - > >> > > > > it > >> > > > > will take revenge. My guess amongst humans is that there is so > >> > > > > little > >> > > > > justice that revenge gets taken in all kinds of inappropriate > >> > > > > ways. > >> > > > > The idiot wife beater may well be really pissed off over other > >> > > > > matters > >> > > > > and so on. Young Iranian boys off to get killed by Iraqi gas wore > >> > > > > socks marked 'Death to Israel'. From the Baltic to the Balkans > >> > > > > one > >> > > > > set has taken revenge against another for over a thousand years. > >> > > > > In > >> > > > > Albania, the men have to stay indoors whilst the women toil in the > >> > > > > fields for fear of vendetta (no doubt a cunning sexist use of > >> > > > > 'revenge'). Petty revenge is nearly always taken out for the > >> > > > > wrong > >> > > > > reasons against the wrong people. It's usually nasty and > >> > > > > childish. > > >> > > > > On 25 Aug, 23:30, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > > I think you covered it all. > > >> > > > > > On Aug 25, 5:00 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > Revenge or vengeance consists of retaliation against a person > >> > > > > > > or group > >> > > > > > > in response to perceived wrongdoing. Although many aspects of > >> > > > > > > revenge > >> > > > > > > resemble or echo the concept of making things equal, revenge > >> > > > > > > usually > >> > > > > > > has a more injurious than constructive goal. The vengeful wish > >> > > > > > > is to > >> > > > > > > make the perceived wrongdoer go through what they put the > >> > > > > > > victim > >> > > > > > > through or to make sure the wrongdoer can never do what they > >> > > > > > > did > >> > > > > > > again. > > >> > > > > > > Revenge has been a popular theme for art and culture > >> > > > > > > throughout > >> > > > > > > history. Many popular motion pictures have used it as a > >> > > > > > > central theme, > >> > > > > > > including Payback, Death Wish, Star Trek II: The Wrath of > >> > > > > > > Khan, Star > >> > > > > > > Wars: Revenge of the Sith, and Kill Bill. Classic literary > >> > > > > > > examples of > >> > > > > > > revenge stories include The Oresteia, Hamlet, The Merchant of > >> > > > > > > Venice, > >> > > > > > > Don Giovanni, and Moby-Dick. > > >> > > > > > > Revenge seen in the light of ethics highlights the tension > >> > > > > > > between > >> > > > > > > what we think of a just versus what we think of as right. But > >> > > > > > > even in > >> > > > > > > the light of ethics, some may accept revenge as the ethical > >> > > > > > > alternative when an impartial system of justice is missing or > >> > > > > > > ineffective, reasoning that punishment of wrongdoers is a > >> > > > > > > better > >> > > > > > > alternative than no punishment whatsoever. In these cases, it > >> > > > > > > seems > >> > > > > > > reasonable that revenge may be an appropriate reaction to > >> > > > > > > small > >> > > > > > > infractions, assuming the revenge is kept small as well. > > >> > > > > > > What do YOU think?- Hide quoted text - > > >> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > >> > > - Show quoted text - > > > -- > > ( > > ) > > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
