That's my motto but I'll share it. "Never ask for permission. Do what you want and ask for forgiveness later." Words to live by.
dj On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:36 AM, iam deheretic<[email protected]> wrote: > My Question > > On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 4:09 AM, Darrel Farrel <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> an eye for an eye is fair > > Why do I need to be fair, I think forgiveness is fair and much easier. > Allan > >> >> >> > Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 02:27:25 -0700 >> > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: revenge >> > From: [email protected] >> > To: [email protected] >> > >> > >> > All in all I think revenge is a moral and psycological deadend. >> > >> > It may feel good for a while to take vengance, but other than that >> > little rush of feeling good what does it do in the long term? >> > >> > On 26 Aug, 05:12, facilitator <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > I think of revenge for variuos reasons from time to time. Usually to >> > > correct something or someone when I have been wronged. >> > > >> > > But I am not very clever in that regard and don't carry it out >> > > thinking that somehow this "correction to an injustice" will spin out >> > > of control and fall back on my head anyway. >> > > >> > > I have chosen to spend my time doing something proactive and >> > > constructive instead. >> > > >> > > One of my famous sayings helps me in this regard: >> > > "The opposite of love is not hate , it is indifference". >> > > >> > > I become indifferent to the offender. I am almost certain this has to >> > > be wrong, but it works for me. >> > > >> > > Still, all in all, I would prefer for the most part to be the hammer >> > > rather than the nail! >> > > >> > > On Aug 25, 9:11 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > When I saw you use the word revenge in the other thread Neil, I got >> > > > the full body rush. Ugh, revenge - bad. But then I read your >> > > > amusing >> > > > experience and I asked myself if I ever felt this way. The answer >> > > > is >> > > > yes. >> > > >> > > > At the end of my first marriage, my soon to be ex husband had an >> > > > affair, and his girlfriend would call the house, let it ring twice >> > > > and >> > > > hang up, or hang up if I answered before two rings. This got my >> > > > attention when it began, so I started watching what became obvious >> > > > between them. So I asked them both directly about it, and they both >> > > > denied it. It went on for a bit longer before it occurred to me >> > > > that >> > > > I need not suffer the intrusion into my life. I called her home >> > > > (she >> > > > also was married with children) every hour for twenty four - day and >> > > > night, for one twenty four hour period, and hung up after two rings >> > > > or >> > > > if anyone answered. If my husband heard me doing this when he was >> > > > home at night, he said nothing. Her husband was obviously not happy >> > > > as the night wore on, as evidenced by the tone of his voice. Lucky >> > > > for me, it was prior to caller ID telephones. Well, it worked for >> > > > me. The calls stopped. Nothing was ever mentioned by anyone until >> > > > one day a couple of years and after my divorce I got a call from >> > > > her. >> > > > She had gone into AA and wanted to make amends. I listened to her, >> > > > encouraged her to continue with her program, and kindly let her know >> > > > she was not welcome to call me again. >> > > >> > > > This, by the definitions above, would be revenge, although for me at >> > > > the time, it was the only way I could think of to get the calls to >> > > > stop. I wasn't thinking of getting even, but stopping the calls. I >> > > > wasn't delighted in this poor families frustration, but glad the >> > > > calls >> > > > stopped. >> > > >> > > > On Aug 25, 7:33 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > >> > > > > It's not a good idea to let a chimp see you give it an injection - >> > > > > it >> > > > > will take revenge. My guess amongst humans is that there is so >> > > > > little >> > > > > justice that revenge gets taken in all kinds of inappropriate >> > > > > ways. >> > > > > The idiot wife beater may well be really pissed off over other >> > > > > matters >> > > > > and so on. Young Iranian boys off to get killed by Iraqi gas wore >> > > > > socks marked 'Death to Israel'. From the Baltic to the Balkans >> > > > > one >> > > > > set has taken revenge against another for over a thousand years. >> > > > > In >> > > > > Albania, the men have to stay indoors whilst the women toil in the >> > > > > fields for fear of vendetta (no doubt a cunning sexist use of >> > > > > 'revenge'). Petty revenge is nearly always taken out for the >> > > > > wrong >> > > > > reasons against the wrong people. It's usually nasty and >> > > > > childish. >> > > >> > > > > On 25 Aug, 23:30, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > >> > > > > > I think you covered it all. >> > > >> > > > > > On Aug 25, 5:00 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > >> > > > > > > Revenge or vengeance consists of retaliation against a person >> > > > > > > or group >> > > > > > > in response to perceived wrongdoing. Although many aspects of >> > > > > > > revenge >> > > > > > > resemble or echo the concept of making things equal, revenge >> > > > > > > usually >> > > > > > > has a more injurious than constructive goal. The vengeful wish >> > > > > > > is to >> > > > > > > make the perceived wrongdoer go through what they put the >> > > > > > > victim >> > > > > > > through or to make sure the wrongdoer can never do what they >> > > > > > > did >> > > > > > > again. >> > > >> > > > > > > Revenge has been a popular theme for art and culture >> > > > > > > throughout >> > > > > > > history. Many popular motion pictures have used it as a >> > > > > > > central theme, >> > > > > > > including Payback, Death Wish, Star Trek II: The Wrath of >> > > > > > > Khan, Star >> > > > > > > Wars: Revenge of the Sith, and Kill Bill. Classic literary >> > > > > > > examples of >> > > > > > > revenge stories include The Oresteia, Hamlet, The Merchant of >> > > > > > > Venice, >> > > > > > > Don Giovanni, and Moby-Dick. >> > > >> > > > > > > Revenge seen in the light of ethics highlights the tension >> > > > > > > between >> > > > > > > what we think of a just versus what we think of as right. But >> > > > > > > even in >> > > > > > > the light of ethics, some may accept revenge as the ethical >> > > > > > > alternative when an impartial system of justice is missing or >> > > > > > > ineffective, reasoning that punishment of wrongdoers is a >> > > > > > > better >> > > > > > > alternative than no punishment whatsoever. In these cases, it >> > > > > > > seems >> > > > > > > reasonable that revenge may be an appropriate reaction to >> > > > > > > small >> > > > > > > infractions, assuming the revenge is kept small as well. >> > > >> > > > > > > What do YOU think?- Hide quoted text - >> > > >> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> > > >> > > - Show quoted text - >> > > > > > -- > ( > ) > I_D Allan > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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