sarcasm, like cynicism, protects, divides and isolates. I don't think you need that tag, Don. Your meaning is clear. There are those of us that suggest that, in the long run, establishing agreement first makes for a happier relationship. Then again, you might not wish to consider the long run. Or the effect of sarcasm. This I do not know.
On Aug 29, 5:36 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:57 > AM,[email protected]<[email protected]> wrote: > > > Which is another way of saying do wrong by all means, and if caught > > say sorry, isn't it? > > > Why that instead of 'Ask permison and never feel the need to say > > sorry'? > > > On 28 Aug, 05:05, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> That's my motto but I'll share it. "Never ask for permission. Do > >> what you want and ask for forgiveness later." Words to live by. > > >> dj > > I need to start using some kind of sarcasm tag. Maybe like this /// > to indicate when I'm popping off with some sarc. I was kidding. Of > course this isn't a motto to live by but it can be useful. If you > know the answer will be "no" why ask for permission? Go ahead and > paint the house a color you can stand while she's visiting her mother > to avoid the sickening peach color she'll choose if you ask her. What > you do doesn't need to be wrong, it just might not be what the > permission giver would want. > > dj > > > > >> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:36 AM, iam deheretic<[email protected]> wrote: > >> > My Question > > >> > On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 4:09 AM, Darrel Farrel <[email protected]> > >> > wrote: > > >> >> an eye for an eye is fair > > >> > Why do I need to be fair, I think forgiveness is fair and much easier. > >> > Allan > > >> >> > Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 02:27:25 -0700 > >> >> > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: revenge > >> >> > From: [email protected] > >> >> > To: [email protected] > > >> >> > All in all I think revenge is a moral and psycological deadend. > > >> >> > It may feel good for a while to take vengance, but other than that > >> >> > little rush of feeling good what does it do in the long term? > > >> >> > On 26 Aug, 05:12, facilitator <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > > I think of revenge for variuos reasons from time to time. Usually > >> >> > > to > >> >> > > correct something or someone when I have been wronged. > > >> >> > > But I am not very clever in that regard and don't carry it out > >> >> > > thinking that somehow this "correction to an injustice" will spin > >> >> > > out > >> >> > > of control and fall back on my head anyway. > > >> >> > > I have chosen to spend my time doing something proactive and > >> >> > > constructive instead. > > >> >> > > One of my famous sayings helps me in this regard: > >> >> > > "The opposite of love is not hate , it is indifference". > > >> >> > > I become indifferent to the offender. I am almost certain this has > >> >> > > to > >> >> > > be wrong, but it works for me. > > >> >> > > Still, all in all, I would prefer for the most part to be the hammer > >> >> > > rather than the nail! > > >> >> > > On Aug 25, 9:11 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > > > When I saw you use the word revenge in the other thread Neil, I > >> >> > > > got > >> >> > > > the full body rush. Ugh, revenge - bad. But then I read your > >> >> > > > amusing > >> >> > > > experience and I asked myself if I ever felt this way. The answer > >> >> > > > is > >> >> > > > yes. > > >> >> > > > At the end of my first marriage, my soon to be ex husband had an > >> >> > > > affair, and his girlfriend would call the house, let it ring twice > >> >> > > > and > >> >> > > > hang up, or hang up if I answered before two rings. This got my > >> >> > > > attention when it began, so I started watching what became obvious > >> >> > > > between them. So I asked them both directly about it, and they > >> >> > > > both > >> >> > > > denied it. It went on for a bit longer before it occurred to me > >> >> > > > that > >> >> > > > I need not suffer the intrusion into my life. I called her home > >> >> > > > (she > >> >> > > > also was married with children) every hour for twenty four - day > >> >> > > > and > >> >> > > > night, for one twenty four hour period, and hung up after two > >> >> > > > rings > >> >> > > > or > >> >> > > > if anyone answered. If my husband heard me doing this when he was > >> >> > > > home at night, he said nothing. Her husband was obviously not > >> >> > > > happy > >> >> > > > as the night wore on, as evidenced by the tone of his voice. > >> >> > > > Lucky > >> >> > > > for me, it was prior to caller ID telephones. Well, it worked for > >> >> > > > me. The calls stopped. Nothing was ever mentioned by anyone > >> >> > > > until > >> >> > > > one day a couple of years and after my divorce I got a call from > >> >> > > > her. > >> >> > > > She had gone into AA and wanted to make amends. I listened to > >> >> > > > her, > >> >> > > > encouraged her to continue with her program, and kindly let her > >> >> > > > know > >> >> > > > she was not welcome to call me again. > > >> >> > > > This, by the definitions above, would be revenge, although for me > >> >> > > > at > >> >> > > > the time, it was the only way I could think of to get the calls to > >> >> > > > stop. I wasn't thinking of getting even, but stopping the calls. > >> >> > > > I > >> >> > > > wasn't delighted in this poor families frustration, but glad the > >> >> > > > calls > >> >> > > > stopped. > > >> >> > > > On Aug 25, 7:33 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > > > > It's not a good idea to let a chimp see you give it an > >> >> > > > > injection - > >> >> > > > > it > >> >> > > > > will take revenge. My guess amongst humans is that there is so > >> >> > > > > little > >> >> > > > > justice that revenge gets taken in all kinds of inappropriate > >> >> > > > > ways. > >> >> > > > > The idiot wife beater may well be really pissed off over other > >> >> > > > > matters > >> >> > > > > and so on. Young Iranian boys off to get killed by Iraqi gas > >> >> > > > > wore > >> >> > > > > socks marked 'Death to Israel'. From the Baltic to the Balkans > >> >> > > > > one > >> >> > > > > set has taken revenge against another for over a thousand years. > >> >> > > > > In > >> >> > > > > Albania, the men have to stay indoors whilst the women toil in > >> >> > > > > the > >> >> > > > > fields for fear of vendetta (no doubt a cunning sexist use of > >> >> > > > > 'revenge'). Petty revenge is nearly always taken out for the > >> >> > > > > wrong > >> >> > > > > reasons against the wrong people. It's usually nasty and > >> >> > > > > childish. > > >> >> > > > > On 25 Aug, 23:30, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > > > > > I think you covered it all. > > >> >> > > > > > On Aug 25, 5:00 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> > >> >> > > > > > wrote: > > >> >> > > > > > > Revenge or vengeance consists of retaliation against a > >> >> > > > > > > person > >> >> > > > > > > or group > >> >> > > > > > > in response to perceived wrongdoing. Although many aspects > >> >> > > > > > > of > >> >> > > > > > > revenge > >> >> > > > > > > resemble or echo the concept of making things equal, revenge > >> >> > > > > > > usually > >> >> > > > > > > has a more injurious than constructive goal. The vengeful > >> >> > > > > > > wish > >> >> > > > > > > is to > >> >> > > > > > > make the perceived wrongdoer go through what they put the > >> >> > > > > > > victim > >> >> > > > > > > through or to make sure the wrongdoer can never do what they > >> >> > > > > > > did > >> >> > > > > > > again. > > >> >> > > > > > > Revenge has been a popular theme for art and culture > >> >> > > > > > > throughout > >> >> > > > > > > history. Many popular motion pictures have used it as a > >> >> > > > > > > central theme, > >> >> > > > > > > including Payback, Death Wish, Star Trek II: The Wrath of > >> >> > > > > > > Khan, Star > >> >> > > > > > > Wars: Revenge of the Sith, and Kill Bill. Classic literary > >> >> > > > > > > examples of > >> >> > > > > > > revenge stories include The Oresteia, Hamlet, The Merchant > >> >> > > > > > > of > >> >> > > > > > > Venice, > >> >> > > > > > > Don Giovanni, and Moby-Dick. > > >> >> > > > > > > Revenge seen in the light of ethics highlights the tension > >> >> > > > > > > between > >> >> > > > > > > what we think of a just versus what we think of as right. > >> >> > > > > > > But > >> >> > > > > > > even in > >> >> > > > > > > the light of ethics, some may accept revenge as the ethical > >> >> > > > > > > alternative when an impartial system of justice is missing > >> >> > > > > > > or > >> >> > > > > > > ineffective, reasoning that punishment of wrongdoers is a > >> >> > > > > > > better > >> >> > > > > > > alternative than no punishment whatsoever. In these cases, > >> >> > > > > > > it > >> >> > > > > > > seems > >> >> > > > > > > reasonable that revenge may be an appropriate reaction to > >> >> > > > > > > small > >> >> > > > > > > infractions, assuming the revenge is kept small as well. > > >> >> > > > > > > What do YOU think?- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> > > - Show quoted text - > > >> > -- > >> > ( > >> > ) > >> > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
