The only prayer know to ever have worked is prayer that cannot be verified as providing what it was assumed to. Unless the goal is to just 'feel' better then prayer always works but so what? Many things can achieve the same result.
2009/9/10 iam deheretic <[email protected]>: > No No Lee it deals with it as a concept of prayer in reality.. it is > interesting as it is avoiding > > the book is > Basic Magick by Phillip Cooper > > it is working off the esoteric view point You = Belief = Life Energy > > Life energy is basically the force of creation. It is kind of a fascinating > book to read and in a way it is dealing with the concept of effective prayer > that works.. > Allan > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:12 PM, [email protected] > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Heh yeah but what kind of magic does it talk about? >> >> You're basic like for like type where your manipulation of a substance >> causes change in a similar, or afiliated substance? >> Or perhaps runic, or chanting, danceing, trancing? What? >> >> On 10 Sep, 12:01, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Oh ,, Lee it was the title of a book I bought years ago that has a very >> > interesting view point on prayer I thought Francis might be interested >> > in >> > reading. >> > Allan >> > >> > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:15 AM, [email protected] < >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > [email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > Ohh what sort of basic magic? >> > >> > > On 9 Sep, 19:26, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > Me to and it does Francis >> > > > Next time we see each other remind me to loan you one of my books >> > > > called >> > > > basic magic,, put some new insights to prayer. >> > > > Allan >> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 5:16 PM, frantheman >> > > > <[email protected] >> > > >wrote: >> > >> > > > > I'd be storming heaven with continuing rosaries for a successful >> > > > > outcome for you Neil - now, if only I could start believing that >> > > > > prayer works ... >> > >> > > > > Francis >> > >> > > > > On 9 Sep., 16:09, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > > I got news of an interview for a job in Dubai today - it's next >> > > > > > Monday. The job's being run by my old university. Good pay, >> > > > > > free >> > > > > > accommodation and guaranteed sun and sobriety - an excellent >> > > > > > retreat >> > > > > > to finish my books as long as the air conditioning holds out! >> > > > > > I'll >> > > be >> > > > > > out in the sticks (not that are any) about an hour from the >> > > > > > challenge >> > > > > > of cold lager and an eon from the recession. Ahmadenadinejad >> > > > > > will be >> > > > > > within grenade tossing distance across the Straights Of Homuz, >> > > > > > so I >> > > > > > may adjust my view of the 6th Fleet and have to stop calling >> > > Americans >> > > > > > my colonial cousins! You may be right that we have a 'special >> > > > > > relationship' Orn. One hopes the monks keep chanting until 3 >> > > > > > p.m. >> > > > > > 14.9.09 (BST). The work will probably encompass India too. >> > > > > > Fingers >> > > > > > crossed, touching the wood, the scientist in me is shouting! >> > >> > > > > > On 9 Sep, 12:13, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > On 8 Sep, 18:55, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> >> > > > > > > wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > Words from those wiser than I: >> > >> > > > > > > > "Listening not to me but to the LOGOS it is wise to agree >> > > > > > > > that >> > > all >> > > > > > > > things are one." - Heraclitus (ca. 535–475 BCE): >> > >> > > > > > > > "Good people do not need laws to tell them to act >> > > > > > > > responsibly, >> > > while >> > > > > > > > bad people will find a way around the laws." - Plato >> > >> > > > > > > > "A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its >> > > opponents >> > > > > > > > and making them see the light, but rather because its >> > > > > > > > opponents >> > > > > > > > eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is >> > > > > > > > familiar >> > > with >> > > > > > > > it." - Max Planck >> > >> > > > > > > > "The most beautiful and profound emotion we can experience >> > > > > > > > is the >> > > > > > > > sensation of the mystical. He to whom this emotion is a >> > > > > > > > stranger, >> > > who >> > > > > > > > can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as >> > > > > > > > dead. >> > > To >> > > > > > > > know that what is impenetrable to us really exists, >> > > > > > > > manifesting >> > > > > itself >> > > > > > > > as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty, which our >> > > > > > > > dull >> > > > > > > > faculties can comprehend only in their primitive forms - >> > > > > > > > this >> > > > > > > > knowledge, this feeling, is at the center of true religion." >> > > > > > > > - >> > > Albert >> > > > > > > > Einstein >> > >> > > > > > > Just thought I'd add in another Einstein quote, here: "Science >> > > without >> > > > > > > religion is lame; religion without science is blind." >> > >> > > > > > > > “There is no salvation in becoming adapted to a world which >> > > > > > > > is >> > > > > crazy.” >> > > > > > > > Henry Miller >> > >> > > > > > > > "Stuff happens." - Donald H. Rumsfeld >> > >> > > > > > > > On Sep 8, 10:14 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > > Thanks Bill - things have been tough enough for me to >> > > > > > > > > really >> > > > > > > > > appreciate the other 'odd balls' in here as a beacon of >> > > > > > > > > hope. >> > > As a >> > > > > > > > > young boy I felt much the same about the USA (really), >> > > confusing it >> > > > > as >> > > > > > > > > the beacon city on the hill. I thought you guys were so >> > > democratic >> > > > > > > > > you wouldn't even get patriotic about sport! One lives >> > > > > > > > > and >> > > learns! >> > > > > > > > > Possibly the only thing I can claim to have been really >> > > > > > > > > good at >> > > is >> > > > > > > > > 'bad singing'. There has been a similar figure in my life >> > > > > > > > > - >> > > > > Howard, >> > > > > > > > > an old-style socialist who did sing-song nights at a pub I >> > > > > > > > > used >> > > to >> > > > > > > > > use. >> > > > > > > > > Our grandson has just started secondary school and was so >> > > impressed >> > > > > > > > > with his first day he wanted to go back! His Catholic >> > > > > > > > > primary >> > > > > school >> > > > > > > > > was about as good as we can manage. In the UK (with some >> > > > > reservations >> > > > > > > > > about prep schools), we seem to manage 'equality' quite >> > > > > > > > > well to >> > > > > this >> > > > > > > > > point and keep things personal and neighbourly enough. >> > > > > > > > > Things >> > > go >> > > > > sour >> > > > > > > > > after this point and I do conclude that the suppression of >> > > > > > > > > spirituality and communality after this stage is the key. >> > > > > > > > > I'm >> > > not >> > > > > > > > > sure I ever coped with this and the discovery of the way >> > > > > > > > > of the >> > > > > > > > > world. I've been unrooted all my adult life and even now >> > > > > > > > > miss >> > > the >> > > > > > > > > comradeship of disciplined service that replaced this, >> > > > > > > > > even >> > > though >> > > > > I >> > > > > > > > > know the experience was traumatic - the trauma being very >> > > > > > > > > much >> > > post >> > > > > > > > > the experience time itself. There is much we could be >> > > > > > > > > building >> > > on >> > > > > - >> > > > > > > > > my sense of this is almost marxist in terms of access to >> > > > > > > > > and >> > > > > control >> > > > > > > > > of the means of production - but I am only materialist in >> > > believing >> > > > > in >> > > > > > > > > this as a means to spiritual being. Fromm put this as 'to >> > > > > > > > > have >> > > or >> > > > > to >> > > > > > > > > be' - there are plenty of arguments, but it often seems >> > > > > > > > > little >> > > to >> > > > > do >> > > > > > > > > other than as a missionary or martyr - I'll stop before >> > > > > > > > > terms >> > > like >> > > > > > > > > 'strategic spirituality' start to come out of my >> > > > > > > > > management >> > > speak >> > > > > > > > > learning! >> > >> > > > > > > > > On 8 Sep, 01:27, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> >> > > wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > > > I couldn’t stop thinking of Neil (and a few others here) >> > > while >> > > > > > > > > > listening to this wonderful story teller/man. No matter >> > > > > > > > > > ones >> > > > > political >> > > > > > > > > > views, my guess is that we all would love to have had >> > > > > > > > > > him as >> > > a >> > > > > > > > > > neighbor and a friend. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > (It is a fairly long show…watch it when you have the >> > > > > > > > > > time.) >> > >> > > > >> > > > > >http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/7/the_golden_voice_of_the_great-Hi. >> > > .. >> > >> > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - >> > >> > > > -- >> > > > ( >> > > > ) >> > > > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > > > - Show quoted text - >> > >> > -- >> > ( >> > ) >> > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > - Show quoted text - >> > > > > -- > ( > ) > I_D Allan > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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