Heh yeah but what kind of magic does it talk about? You're basic like for like type where your manipulation of a substance causes change in a similar, or afiliated substance? Or perhaps runic, or chanting, danceing, trancing? What?
On 10 Sep, 12:01, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > Oh ,, Lee it was the title of a book I bought years ago that has a very > interesting view point on prayer I thought Francis might be interested in > reading. > Allan > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:15 AM, [email protected] < > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Ohh what sort of basic magic? > > > On 9 Sep, 19:26, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Me to and it does Francis > > > Next time we see each other remind me to loan you one of my books called > > > basic magic,, put some new insights to prayer. > > > Allan > > > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 5:16 PM, frantheman <[email protected] > > >wrote: > > > > > I'd be storming heaven with continuing rosaries for a successful > > > > outcome for you Neil - now, if only I could start believing that > > > > prayer works ... > > > > > Francis > > > > > On 9 Sep., 16:09, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I got news of an interview for a job in Dubai today - it's next > > > > > Monday. The job's being run by my old university. Good pay, free > > > > > accommodation and guaranteed sun and sobriety - an excellent retreat > > > > > to finish my books as long as the air conditioning holds out! I'll > > be > > > > > out in the sticks (not that are any) about an hour from the challenge > > > > > of cold lager and an eon from the recession. Ahmadenadinejad will be > > > > > within grenade tossing distance across the Straights Of Homuz, so I > > > > > may adjust my view of the 6th Fleet and have to stop calling > > Americans > > > > > my colonial cousins! You may be right that we have a 'special > > > > > relationship' Orn. One hopes the monks keep chanting until 3 p.m. > > > > > 14.9.09 (BST). The work will probably encompass India too. Fingers > > > > > crossed, touching the wood, the scientist in me is shouting! > > > > > > On 9 Sep, 12:13, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > On 8 Sep, 18:55, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Words from those wiser than I: > > > > > > > > "Listening not to me but to the LOGOS it is wise to agree that > > all > > > > > > > things are one." - Heraclitus (ca. 535–475 BCE): > > > > > > > > "Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, > > while > > > > > > > bad people will find a way around the laws." - Plato > > > > > > > > "A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its > > opponents > > > > > > > and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents > > > > > > > eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar > > with > > > > > > > it." - Max Planck > > > > > > > > "The most beautiful and profound emotion we can experience is the > > > > > > > sensation of the mystical. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, > > who > > > > > > > can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead. > > To > > > > > > > know that what is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting > > > > itself > > > > > > > as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty, which our dull > > > > > > > faculties can comprehend only in their primitive forms - this > > > > > > > knowledge, this feeling, is at the center of true religion." - > > Albert > > > > > > > Einstein > > > > > > > Just thought I'd add in another Einstein quote, here: "Science > > without > > > > > > religion is lame; religion without science is blind." > > > > > > > > “There is no salvation in becoming adapted to a world which is > > > > crazy.” > > > > > > > Henry Miller > > > > > > > > "Stuff happens." - Donald H. Rumsfeld > > > > > > > > On Sep 8, 10:14 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Thanks Bill - things have been tough enough for me to really > > > > > > > > appreciate the other 'odd balls' in here as a beacon of hope. > > As a > > > > > > > > young boy I felt much the same about the USA (really), > > confusing it > > > > as > > > > > > > > the beacon city on the hill. I thought you guys were so > > democratic > > > > > > > > you wouldn't even get patriotic about sport! One lives and > > learns! > > > > > > > > Possibly the only thing I can claim to have been really good at > > is > > > > > > > > 'bad singing'. There has been a similar figure in my life - > > > > Howard, > > > > > > > > an old-style socialist who did sing-song nights at a pub I used > > to > > > > > > > > use. > > > > > > > > Our grandson has just started secondary school and was so > > impressed > > > > > > > > with his first day he wanted to go back! His Catholic primary > > > > school > > > > > > > > was about as good as we can manage. In the UK (with some > > > > reservations > > > > > > > > about prep schools), we seem to manage 'equality' quite well to > > > > this > > > > > > > > point and keep things personal and neighbourly enough. Things > > go > > > > sour > > > > > > > > after this point and I do conclude that the suppression of > > > > > > > > spirituality and communality after this stage is the key. I'm > > not > > > > > > > > sure I ever coped with this and the discovery of the way of the > > > > > > > > world. I've been unrooted all my adult life and even now miss > > the > > > > > > > > comradeship of disciplined service that replaced this, even > > though > > > > I > > > > > > > > know the experience was traumatic - the trauma being very much > > post > > > > > > > > the experience time itself. There is much we could be building > > on > > > > - > > > > > > > > my sense of this is almost marxist in terms of access to and > > > > control > > > > > > > > of the means of production - but I am only materialist in > > believing > > > > in > > > > > > > > this as a means to spiritual being. Fromm put this as 'to have > > or > > > > to > > > > > > > > be' - there are plenty of arguments, but it often seems little > > to > > > > do > > > > > > > > other than as a missionary or martyr - I'll stop before terms > > like > > > > > > > > 'strategic spirituality' start to come out of my management > > speak > > > > > > > > learning! > > > > > > > > > On 8 Sep, 01:27, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I couldn’t stop thinking of Neil (and a few others here) > > while > > > > > > > > > listening to this wonderful story teller/man. No matter ones > > > > political > > > > > > > > > views, my guess is that we all would love to have had him as > > a > > > > > > > > > neighbor and a friend. > > > > > > > > > > (It is a fairly long show…watch it when you have the time.) > > > > >http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/7/the_golden_voice_of_the_great-Hi. > > .. > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > -- > > > ( > > > ) > > > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > -- > ( > ) > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
