Very nice, Vam. Thanks.
On Sep 12, 10:35 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote:
> " ... likely has no wonderment at its unique perception ... "
>
> Ah, Gruff, there is no lack of curiosity or its intensity in a child.
> I agree though that they do not yet have the tools to interpret it.
>
> " ... which virtually renders it useless."
>
> Yes, for them, at that time. The usefulness of those childhood ( I 'd
> prefer babyhood ) perceptions comes much later in life, if at all,
> when one wishes to finally become free of his learned interpretations
> of perceptions in adulthood ( I 'd suggest middle and old age ).
>
> I 've come across very very few, who actually seek to become so free.
> They are all mostly still seeking more experiences, more meanings,
> more interpretations ! It would be a rare soul for whom this ( one )
> life has proved enough. To each his own.
>
> But, as I see it, untill one seeks to be so free, one is not likely to
> be truly capable of perceiving pure or undifferentiated consciousness.
> Untill then, one would always prefer the forms in it ... experiences,
> meanings, interpretations, knowledge, ideas ... To wit, who cares to
> perceive space, when the matter or forms and their meanings are in our
> eye ; who cares to perceive time, when the change and its meaning is
> in our awareness.
>
> On Sep 12, 9:00 am, gruff <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > This is perfectly true I think. An infant mind is pure and innocent
> > and looks at the world probably as close to reality as a sentient
> > creature can get. The difficulty lies in that the infant, in its
> > innocence, likely has no wonderment at its unique perception which
> > virtually renders it useless. Wordsworth wrote about it in "Ode on
> > Intimations of Immortality from Recollections of Early Childhood" and
> > the greatest of all of course is probably Peter Pan. But on the dark
> > side is Lord of The Flies. Unbridled Innocence is not all goodness
> > and flowers. What is it they say about boys? Snips and snails of
> > puppy dog tails.
>
> > On Sep 11, 8:01 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > " However, I seriously doubt they could take it to the same esoteric
> > > and vaporous levels of perception as is done here among and within
> > > ourselves."
>
> > > I am absolutely certain, Gruff, those perceptions happen with them.
> > > They of course need do nothing for it to happen. Especially in respect
> > > of a ' baby,' who is without nearly all of knowledge and ideas and
> > > names that we adults possess, it is we who 'd have difficulty
> > > fathoming what the baby perception of a table would be.
>
> > > On Sep 11, 6:48 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Vam, I thought that's what I was doing ... stimulating some reflection
> > > > in both myself and with any luck others as well. But on to further
> > > > stimulation, if what I call a table is perceived by a child as
> > > > something which they have never seen before and can neither name nor
> > > > identify they can still perceive it as something which is used as a
> > > > place to set things above the ground or some other such similar
> > > > perception. They don't need to have the same name -- or any name --
> > > > for it as I do but they can perceive and even use its functionality.
> > > > They can even address it by pointing at it as a place where perhaps a
> > > > bottle, toy or food rests. However, I seriously doubt they could take
> > > > it to the same esoteric and vaporous levels of perception as is done
> > > > here among and within ourselves.
>
> > > > On Sep 10, 7:30 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Gruff, this is just to stimulate some reflection.
>
> > > > > What is a ' table,' of which term you are so clear and convinced
> > > > > about, in the eyes of a baby or child who has never seen or heard of a
> > > > > table before ?
>
> > > > > Is it still a ' table,' the one you mean ? Is it something specific,
> > > > > but not known or understood ? Is it something but not specific, and
> > > > > unknown ? Or, is it ' nothing ?'- Hide quoted text -
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