An infant is a perfect tyrant! :-) The senses remind me of antennae
which later are reduced/enlarged to a vocabulary or mental concept.

On Sep 11, 11:00 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote:
> This is perfectly true I think.  An infant mind is pure and innocent
> and looks at the world probably as close to reality as a sentient
> creature can get.  The difficulty lies in that the infant, in its
> innocence, likely has no wonderment at its unique perception which
> virtually renders it useless.  Wordsworth wrote about it in "Ode on
> Intimations of Immortality from Recollections of Early Childhood" and
> the greatest of all of course is probably Peter Pan.  But on the dark
> side is Lord of The Flies.   Unbridled Innocence is not all goodness
> and flowers.  What is it they say about boys?  Snips and snails of
> puppy dog tails.
>
> On Sep 11, 8:01 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > " However, I seriously doubt they could take it to the same esoteric
> > and vaporous levels of perception as is done here among and within
> > ourselves."
>
> > I am absolutely certain, Gruff, those perceptions happen with them.
> > They of course need do nothing for it to happen. Especially in respect
> > of a ' baby,' who is without nearly all of knowledge and ideas and
> > names that we adults possess, it is we who 'd have difficulty
> > fathoming what the baby perception of a table would be.
>
> > On Sep 11, 6:48 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Vam, I thought that's what I was doing ... stimulating some reflection
> > > in both myself and with any luck others as well.  But on to further
> > > stimulation, if what I call a table is perceived by a child as
> > > something which they have never seen before and can neither name nor
> > > identify they can still perceive it as something which is used as a
> > > place to set things above the ground or some other such similar
> > > perception.  They don't need to have the same name -- or any name --
> > > for it as I do but they can perceive and even use its functionality.
> > > They can even address it by pointing at it as a place where perhaps a
> > > bottle, toy or food rests.  However, I seriously doubt they could take
> > > it to the same esoteric and vaporous levels of perception as is done
> > > here among and within ourselves.
>
> > > On Sep 10, 7:30 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Gruff, this is just to stimulate some reflection.
>
> > > > What is a ' table,'  of which term you are so clear and convinced
> > > > about, in the eyes of a baby or child who has never seen or heard of a
> > > > table before ?
>
> > > > Is it still a ' table,' the one you mean ?  Is it something specific,
> > > > but not known or understood ?  Is it something but not specific, and
> > > > unknown ?  Or, is it ' nothing ?'- Hide quoted text -
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