" ... likely has no wonderment at its unique perception ... " Ah, Gruff, there is no lack of curiosity or its intensity in a child. I agree though that they do not yet have the tools to interpret it.
" ... which virtually renders it useless." Yes, for them, at that time. The usefulness of those childhood ( I 'd prefer babyhood ) perceptions comes much later in life, if at all, when one wishes to finally become free of his learned interpretations of perceptions in adulthood ( I 'd suggest middle and old age ). I 've come across very very few, who actually seek to become so free. They are all mostly still seeking more experiences, more meanings, more interpretations ! It would be a rare soul for whom this ( one ) life has proved enough. To each his own. But, as I see it, untill one seeks to be so free, one is not likely to be truly capable of perceiving pure or undifferentiated consciousness. Untill then, one would always prefer the forms in it ... experiences, meanings, interpretations, knowledge, ideas ... To wit, who cares to perceive space, when the matter or forms and their meanings are in our eye ; who cares to perceive time, when the change and its meaning is in our awareness. On Sep 12, 9:00 am, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > This is perfectly true I think. An infant mind is pure and innocent > and looks at the world probably as close to reality as a sentient > creature can get. The difficulty lies in that the infant, in its > innocence, likely has no wonderment at its unique perception which > virtually renders it useless. Wordsworth wrote about it in "Ode on > Intimations of Immortality from Recollections of Early Childhood" and > the greatest of all of course is probably Peter Pan. But on the dark > side is Lord of The Flies. Unbridled Innocence is not all goodness > and flowers. What is it they say about boys? Snips and snails of > puppy dog tails. > > On Sep 11, 8:01 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > " However, I seriously doubt they could take it to the same esoteric > > and vaporous levels of perception as is done here among and within > > ourselves." > > > I am absolutely certain, Gruff, those perceptions happen with them. > > They of course need do nothing for it to happen. Especially in respect > > of a ' baby,' who is without nearly all of knowledge and ideas and > > names that we adults possess, it is we who 'd have difficulty > > fathoming what the baby perception of a table would be. > > > On Sep 11, 6:48 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Vam, I thought that's what I was doing ... stimulating some reflection > > > in both myself and with any luck others as well. But on to further > > > stimulation, if what I call a table is perceived by a child as > > > something which they have never seen before and can neither name nor > > > identify they can still perceive it as something which is used as a > > > place to set things above the ground or some other such similar > > > perception. They don't need to have the same name -- or any name -- > > > for it as I do but they can perceive and even use its functionality. > > > They can even address it by pointing at it as a place where perhaps a > > > bottle, toy or food rests. However, I seriously doubt they could take > > > it to the same esoteric and vaporous levels of perception as is done > > > here among and within ourselves. > > > > On Sep 10, 7:30 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Gruff, this is just to stimulate some reflection. > > > > > What is a ' table,' of which term you are so clear and convinced > > > > about, in the eyes of a baby or child who has never seen or heard of a > > > > table before ? > > > > > Is it still a ' table,' the one you mean ? Is it something specific, > > > > but not known or understood ? Is it something but not specific, and > > > > unknown ? Or, is it ' nothing ?'- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
