On 14 Sep, 12:18, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Yes I agree, energy exists and potential energy exists. In our
> universe all of that is true, but we are speaking of the 'time' before
> the universe started, so there was no potential, no energy, no matter,
> only spirt in the 'form' of God.
>
But how, in your view, can spirit exist without a time for it in which
to exist? The conundrum is gotten around by understanding that 'that
which exists' is energy and, as energy is neither created nor
destroyed, must, therefore, exist eternally in some state or any of a
number of transference/transformation states. E.g., Energy, 'prior'
to "Creation" was still extant, but in an eternal state of potential.
Thus, it didn't 'seem' to be or 'appear' to be, but it most certainly
'was' or there could be nothing afterwards. At that point (note, I
don't say 'at that time'), the various dimensions weren't folded about
one another the way they are now. But they all existed or, at least,
existed potentially since they can be currently conceived.
> This is fine for the likes of you and I Pat, what though of the other
> members here that do not belive in such a being? Perhaps then your
> first assumption should have been, God is?
>
Nah, the first axiom must be that energy exists. And then, that all
things are of some form of energy.
> Ahh then of course some of us here would have called you on that
> assumption.
>
> Okay then I guess I can work on the principle that when you say
> potential, you mean the 'desire' of God.
>
Potential energy achieving its potential has nothing to do with
desire out of necessity, although it could, later, be involved
(usually by intelligent beings such as ourselves). The only required
awareness is the awareness of the One, which WOULD have begun at my
point P7. All of ours developed much later.
> On 14 Sep, 12:10, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
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> > On 14 Sep, 11:49, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
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> > > Now not that I wish this to get bogged down in semantics, but I can't
> > > help but think that the word potential implies time.
>
> > > So without time pre-existant before the start of the univeres there
> > > can't really be any potential, can there?
>
> > > Unless you are considering brane theory perhaps?
>
> > Energy exists. Energy can exist in a state of potential. This has
> > nothing, in particular, to do with time or time passing. Time, as a
> > dimension, can exist without any movement through it just as,
> > geometrically, 2-D shapes can occur in a 3-D world without utilising
> > the third dimension.
>
> > > On 14 Sep, 11:18, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > On 14 Sep, 11:13, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
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> > > > > Hey Pat,
>
> > > > > I'm having a bit of a problem with postulate 1.
>
> > > > > 'Postulate 1) The universe, as we know it today and including
> > > > > all that has come before, must have been, at some point, potentially
> > > > > possible.'
>
> > > > > At which point are we talking about, if time did not start before the
> > > > > universe did?
>
> > > > Even if that point was 5 seconds ago, the universe, as it is today
> > > > was, at least, at THAT point, potentially possible. That potentiality
> > > > can, then, be extended as far back as possible. Remember that, prior
> > > > to time commencing, all things were potential, including time and its
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