> > Yes I agree, energy exists and potential energy exists. In our > > universe all of that is true, but we are speaking of the 'time' before > > the universe started, so there was no potential, no energy, no matter, > > only spirt in the 'form' of God. > > But how, in your view, can spirit exist without a time for it in which > to exist?
Because spirt is not matter while energy is. The creation of matter came from spirit, God said 'let there be light, and lo there was'. So I guess what I'm saying is 'before the begining there was formless God, and God desired form' >The conundrum is gotten around by understanding that 'that > which exists' is energy and, as energy is neither created nor > destroyed, must, therefore, exist eternally in some state or any of a > number of transference/transformation states. > E.g., Energy, 'prior' > to "Creation" was still extant, but in an eternal state of potential. > Thus, it didn't 'seem' to be or 'appear' to be, but it most certainly > 'was' or there could be nothing afterwards. At that point (note, I > don't say 'at that time'), the various dimensions weren't folded about > one another the way they are now. But they all existed or, at least, > existed potentially since they can be currently conceived. True, in a universe made of matter. You hit problems though when you consider that the very few micro seconds after the big bang our physics was not as it is now. Which is saying that our universal constants were not always constant. So that the maxim 'energy cannot be created nor destroyed' has not always been true. > > This is fine for the likes of you and I Pat, what though of the other > > members here that do not belive in such a being? Perhaps then your > > first assumption should have been, God is? > > Nah, the first axiom must be that energy exists. And then, that all > things are of some form of energy. Yet that fails to answer my initial query. Before the big bang, what substance was there for energy to exist in? You give an example of the potential energy in an object lifted from the floor. No object, no floor, no gravity, no time must equal no potetntial energy? > > Ahh then of course some of us here would have called you on that > > assumption. > > > Okay then I guess I can work on the principle that when you say > > potential, you mean the 'desire' of God. > > Potential energy achieving its potential has nothing to do with > desire out of necessity, although it could, later, be involved > (usually by intelligent beings such as ourselves). The only required > awareness is the awareness of the One, which WOULD have begun at my > point P7. All of ours developed much later. Yes indeed it is this awearness (of the one) that I speak. As I say it readily answers my concerns about time and energy, but what of our atheist freinds out there? How can energy (a form of matter) exist before matter does, or potential (a function of time) exist before time does? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
