The reconciliation of Isaac and Ishmael is indeed powerful. Let me know what you find.
On Sep 29, 12:09 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > On 29 Sep, 15:51, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Exactly. It is just a diagram for getting out of the way and allowing > > grace in our experience. I watched the movie "The Legend of Bagger > > Vance" the other day, and while I am not really a fan of Will Smith or > > Matt Damon, the screenplay in this movie, I think, is terrific. > > Especially when the golfer's caddy instructs him "most golfers are > > looking for the perfect swing. But what they don't understand is, you > > don't find the swing, the swing finds you." And that's it. Just get > > out of the way, and that swing will find you. Same story. > > Question Molly: Where did you read that about the name of the > mountain being 'The Lord Provides'? As far as I am aware, that > 'mountain' was the Temple Mount and the rock on which the sacrifice > was to take place was the rock that is, now, under 'The Dome of the > Rock'. I.e., the mountain is currently called 'Zion'. If it was > called 'The Lord Provides' then that lends credence to my theory that > there is enough room on it NOW for a third building between the two > that are there now, i.e., the Third Temple. Thus, the mountain STILL > has the potential to provide for the means towards future > reconciliation between Isaac and Ishmael. At which translation were > you looking? Because I'm going to go home and check out the actual > Hebrew and see for myself. This could be the basis for a very > powerful argument towards peace and reconciliation, as I see it. > > > On Sep 29, 10:35 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 29 Sep, 14:39, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Very interesting, Slip. This is the passage of the bible I have been > > > > contemplating for several weeks. The meaning wasn't clear to me until > > > > I read a translation of the bible that had Abraham naming the mountain > > > > where he took Isaac to sacrifice "The Lord Provides." I don't think > > > > this is really a passage about killing our children, although there > > > > are plenty of opinions in that vein to be found. I think it is the > > > > passage that explains to us the process of the manifestation of our > > > > experience, and the necessity to let go of our own goals or creations, > > > > and sacrifice our suffering (the ram in the thorns) so that it is out > > > > of the way and the our highest potential can become manifest. I find > > > > hope in this passage, and instruction. > > > > And, as Jesus said in Gethsemene, 'not my will, but Thine be done.' > > > I.e., He was asking for the Lord's provision. > > > > > On Sep 29, 8:18 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Yes of course, communicate with God alone, happened the other day, > > > > > then he told me to kill my son, said like Abraham, said not to worry > > > > > that he wont die, I said 'wont that be attempted murder'? God said > > > > > "yes, but don't worry, I'm God and I'll have you out in 5-10 with good > > > > > behavior and if you read my book that will be easy!" > > > > > > On Sep 29, 6:31 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > On 28 Sep, 17:39, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Emotions can be expressed in isolation. > > > > > > > Absolutely. In that way, we communicate our feelings to God alone. > > > > > > Not that God doesn't receive the messages when we are NOT alone, but > > > > > > He is the only receiver when we ARE alone. > > > > > > > > On Sep 28, 11:05 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On 27 Sep, 17:13, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > What role does emotion play in our everyday lives? How does > > > > > > > > > emotion > > > > > > > > > affect our experience and being? These are questions > > > > > > > > > addressed by > > > > > > > > > some of the finest minds of our era. > > > > > > > > > > For Piaget, emotion is the motivating force of action > > > > > > > > > emanating from > > > > > > > > > outside the individual in the form of sensations emitted by > > > > > > > > > objects. > > > > > > > > > His view is rooted in the Newtonian conception of a universe > > > > > > > > > comprised > > > > > > > > > in isolated objects requiring an emotive force to initiate a > > > > > > > > > series of > > > > > > > > > mechanistic interactions between objects. Piaget reduces all > > > > > > > > > conscious human experience to a cognitive formulation of > > > > > > > > > these causal > > > > > > > > > relations. His abstract concept of emotion as force fails > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > explain the relationship between bodily feelings, emotions, > > > > > > > > > and higher > > > > > > > > > forms of consciousness in human beings. > > > > > > > > > > Alfred North Whitehead indicates the factors in human nature > > > > > > > > > which go > > > > > > > > > to make up the particular emotions, arise from our > > > > > > > > > apprehension of > > > > > > > > > these permanent features of order in the world. His concrete > > > > > > > > > concept > > > > > > > > > of emotion gives insight into the experience of bodily > > > > > > > > > feelings and > > > > > > > > > their relationship to the growth and learning of human > > > > > > > > > beings. He > > > > > > > > > explains the emotions are the crucial mediating factors > > > > > > > > > between the > > > > > > > > > welter of awareness of these feelings in higher organisms. > > > > > > > > > “We > > > > > > > > > perceive other things which are in the world of actualities > > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > same sense as we are. So our emotions are directed toward > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > things, including of course, our bodily organs . . . the > > > > > > > > > world for me > > > > > > > > > is nothing else than how the functioning of my body present > > > > > > > > > it for my > > > > > > > > > experience.” > > > > > > > > > > Jean Paul Sartre sees it differently in his book, The > > > > > > > > > Emotions, > > > > > > > > > Outline of a Theory. He sees our emotion as an “abrupt drop > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > consciousness into the magical.” He believes: “emotion is > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > accidental modification of a subject which would otherwise be > > > > > > > > > plunged > > > > > > > > > into an unchanged world. It is easy to see that every > > > > > > > > > emotional > > > > > > > > > apprehension of an object which frightens, irritates, > > > > > > > > > sadness, etc., > > > > > > > > > can be made only on the basis of a total alteration of the > > > > > > > > > world. In > > > > > > > > > order that an object may in reality appear terrible, it must > > > > > > > > > realize > > > > > > > > > itself as an immediate and magical presence face to face with > > > > > > > > > consciousness.“ In other words, we modify our experience > > > > > > > > > with emotion > > > > > > > > > to make it more comfortable, according to our own nature. We > > > > > > > > > emote > > > > > > > > > sadness, anger or gloom because “lacking the power and will to > > > > > > > > > accomplish the acts which we have been planning, we behave in > > > > > > > > > such a > > > > > > > > > way that the universe no longer requires anything of us.” > > > > > > > > > > What do YOU think? > > > > > > > > > As for me, I see emotions as the outward expression of inner > > > > > > > > feelings. They are the way we communicate our inner feelings > > > > > > > > to those > > > > > > > > around us. So, emotions are a form of communication of data > > > > > > > > (our > > > > > > > > inner feelings) to those who cannot (and, perhaps, could not) > > > > > > > > perceive > > > > > > > > them (the feelings) in an obvious way.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
