I too was wondering how our conversation about the role of emotions became one of scripture and suspect Pat and I of thread hopping to some degree here. It is, I think, important to note that so many have emotional reactions to religion, whether in ecstasy or anger. In my day to day, I try not to even mention the word God except to people that I know share a reverence. I rely instead on acceptable cliches such as Oh God, Thank God, My God, Lordy Lordy, God Almighty etc., to summon the Logos without offense or barriers to relatedness.
Here, I can see that Sartre's ideas shed light on the process of anger or resentment or indifference as emotional responses that relieve us of the responsibility of participating in the greater world or possibility available. These responses carry with them old tracks and experiences about religion that turned us from faith, or taught us to avoid the mention of it. Perhaps even more complex emotions that include crisis in faith, or experiences where what we knew to be true was contradicted in such a way that we rebelled against all faith. Emotions here can run high, and take us right to the edge of the deeper parts of our selves. On Oct 4, 8:37 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > sorry gw - I always just post at the end - it's the general emotional > exchange around 'sacred text' that worries me. I'd cite specific > material, as I hardly ever reply to an individual post. > > On 5 Oct, 01:23, [email protected] wrote: > > > Would you care to clarify exactly what it is that you that worries you > > about the message you quoted? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: archytas <[email protected]> > > To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sun, Oct 4, 2009 7:41 pm > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: The Role of Emotion > > > always worry about this kind of emotional exchange. > > On 4 Oct, 18:07, [email protected] wrote: > > or Molly - Is the message indicating that the same data may be viewed from > > ifferent perspectives. The views implied are a close up of details (i.e.in > > the > > idst of forest viewing the closest tree) contrasted with a wide angle view ( > > .e. observing from the vantage point of being on the edge of the forest.) > > This > > dea could be expanded to include other dimensions (i.e. observing the forest > > rom the vantage point of an airplane.) > > > Or - again - I wonder if what is implied is the different meanings of > > xperience when viewed from the vantage point of linear logic contrasted with > > ntuition. Or once more the difference in perspectives if one views the raw > > ata of experience from the vantage point of linear logic contrasted with > > "pure > > eelings' and both contrasted with what I like to call experiential logic (a > > ombination of all sources of information including thoughts, feelings, > > ensations, and intuitions). > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Molly Brogan <[email protected]> > > To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sun, Oct 4, 2009 12:17 pm > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: The Role of Emotio > > n > > > have really been mulling over the "Lord has seen" translation in > > elation to the "Lord provides," given the 20th century christian > > ystical interpretation of the manifestation of experience. > > While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things > > hich are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but > > he things which are not seen are eternal. > > Corinthians 4:18 > > I think there i > > s something to the seeing, that is also providing, or > > ringing the infinite into the moment (the temporal.) There must be > > omething to so many translations using provide, and others seen. > > Thanks for the pointers. > > On Sep 30, 7:49 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 29 Sep, 17:39, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2022&version=NASB > > > > It is in the New American Standard translation > > > The New Living Translation > > > English Standard Version > > > > and maybe others... > > > Unfortunately, it's not the best translation of the Hebrew. The > > Hebrew has YHVH-YRAH (YHVH-Yirah) or 'The Lord has seen (to it)'. > > Loosely, it's similar in that, if the Lord has seen to it, he provided > > for it, but the root of the word YRAH is YRH, which is the verb > > meaning 'to see' in its metaphorical sense of 'see what I mean' and > > similar. So, to translate it as a derivation of 'to provide' isn't > > exactly the truest translation. Rats!! > > > > This is a nice site that allows the comparison of translations. > > > > On Sep 29, 12:09 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 29 Sep, 15:51, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Exactly. It is just a diagram for getting out of the way and > > allowing > > > > > grace in our experience. I watched the movie "The Legend of Bagger > > > > > Vance" the other day, and while I am not really a fan of Will Smith > > or > > > > > Matt Damon, the screenplay=2 > > 0in this movie, I think, is terrific. > > > > > Especially when the golfer's caddy instructs him "most golfers are > > > > > looking for the perfect swing. But what they don't understand is, > > you > > > > > don't find the swing, the swing finds you." And that's it. Just > > get > > > > > out of the way, and that swing will find you. Same story. > > > > > Question Molly: Where did you read that about the name of the > > > > mountain being 'The Lord Provides'? As far as I am aware, that > > > > 'mountain' was the Temple Mount and the rock on which the sacrifice > > > > was to take place was the rock that is, now, under 'The Dome of the > > > > Rock'. I.e., the mountain is currently called 'Zion'. If it was > > > > called 'The Lord Provides' then that lends credence to my theory that > > > > there is enough room on it NOW for a third building between the two > > >=2 > > 0> that are there now, i.e., the Third Temple. Thus, the mountain STILL > > > > has the potential to provide for the means towards future > > > > reconciliation between Isaac and Ishmael. At which translation were > > > > you looking? Because I'm going to go home and check out the actual > > > > Hebrew and see for myself. This could be the basis for a very > > > > powerful argument towards peace and reconciliation, as I see it. > > > > > > On Sep 29, 10:35 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > On 29 Sep, 14:39, Molly Brogan <[email protected] > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Very interesting, Slip. This is the passage of the bible I have > > een > > > > > > > contemplating for several weeks. The meaning wasn't clear to me > > ntil > > > > > > > I read a translation of the bible that had Abraham naming the > > ountain > > > > > > > where he took Isaac to sacrifice "The Lord Provides." I don't > > hink > > > > > > > this is really a passage about killing our children, although > > there > > > > > > > are plenty of opinions in that vein to be found. I think it is > > the > > > > > > > passage that explains to us the process of the manifestation of > > our > > > > > > > experience, and the necessity to let go of our own goals or > > reations, > > > > > > > and sacrifice our suffering (the ram in the thorns) so that it > > is > > ut > > > > > > > of the > > way and the our highest potential can become manifest. I > > ind > > > > > > > hope in this passage, and instruction. > > > > > > > And, as Jesus said in Gethsemene, 'not my will, but Thine be > > done.' > > > > > > I.e., He was asking for the Lord's provision. > > > > > > > > On Sep 29, 8:18 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yes of course, communicate with God alone, happened the other > > ay, > > > > > > > > then he told me to kill my son, said like Abraham, said not to > > orry > > > > > > > > that he wont die, I said 'wont that be attempted murder'? God > > aid > > > > > > > > "yes, but don't worry,20I'm God and I'll have you out in 5-10 > > ith > > ood > > > > > > > > behavior and if you read my book that will be easy!" > > > > > > > > > On Sep 29, 6:31 am, Pat <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On 28 Sep, 17:39, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Emotions can be expressed in isolation. > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely. In that way, we communicate our feelings to God > > lone. > > > > > > > > > Not that God doesn't receive the messages when we are NOT > > lone, > > ut > > > > > > > > > He is the only receiver when we ARE alone. > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 28, 11:05 am, Pat <[email protected]> > > rote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On 27 Sep, 17:13, Molly > > Brogan <[email protected]> > > rote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > What role does emotion play in our everyday lives? > > How > > oes emotion > > > > > > > > > > > > affect our experience and being? These are questions > > ddressed by > > > > > > > > > > > > some of the finest minds of our era. > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Piaget, emotion is the motivating force of action > > manating from > > > > > > > > > > > > outside the individual in the form of sensations > > emitted > > y objects. > > > > > > > > > > > > His view is rooted in the Newtonian conception of a > > niverse comprised > > > > > > > > > > > > in isolated objects requiring an emotive force to > > nitiate > > series of > > > > > > > > > >20> > mechanistic interactions between objects. Piaget > > educes > > ll > > > > > > > > > > > > conscious human experience to a cognitive formulation > > of > > hese causal > > > > > > > > > > > > relations. His abstract concept of emotion as force > > ails to > > > > > > > > > > > > explain the relationship between bodily feelings, > > motions, and higher > > > > > > > > > > > > forms of consciousness in human beings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alfred North Whitehead indicates the factors in human > > ature which go > > > > > > > > > > > > to make up the particular emotions, arise from our > > pprehension of > > > > > > > > > > > > these permanent fea > > tures of order in the world. His > > oncrete concept > > > > > > > > > > > > of emotion gives insight into the experience of bodily > > eelings and > > > > > > > > > > > > their relationship to the growth and learning of human > > eings. He > > > > > > > > > > > > explains the emotions are the crucial mediating > > factors > > etween the > > > > > > > > > > > > welter of awareness of these feelings in higher > > rganisms. > > “We > > > > > > > > > > > > perceive other things which are in the world of > > ctualities in the > > > > > > > > > > > > same sense as we are. So our emotions are directed > > oward other > > > > > > > > > > > > things, including of course, our bodily organs . . . > > the > > orld for me > > > > > > > > > > > > is nothing else than ho > > w the > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
