On 29 Sep, 17:42, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
> The reconciliation of Isaac and Ishmael is indeed powerful. Let me
> know what you find.
>
I think what will have to be impressed upon their descendants is
that, ultimately (i.e., before either died) the two of them were
reconciled with one another. And, if THEY were reconciled, their
descendants should honour their (Isaac and Ishmael's) reconciliation
and be reconciled themselves. Otherwise they are, by proxy of the
generations between then and now, they are not 'honouring their father
and mother', therefore, as the Torah implies, their days will not be
long upon the Earth (primarily because they spend their time killing
one another).
> On Sep 29, 12:09 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > On 29 Sep, 15:51, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Exactly. It is just a diagram for getting out of the way and allowing
> > > grace in our experience. I watched the movie "The Legend of Bagger
> > > Vance" the other day, and while I am not really a fan of Will Smith or
> > > Matt Damon, the screenplay in this movie, I think, is terrific.
> > > Especially when the golfer's caddy instructs him "most golfers are
> > > looking for the perfect swing. But what they don't understand is, you
> > > don't find the swing, the swing finds you." And that's it. Just get
> > > out of the way, and that swing will find you. Same story.
>
> > Question Molly: Where did you read that about the name of the
> > mountain being 'The Lord Provides'? As far as I am aware, that
> > 'mountain' was the Temple Mount and the rock on which the sacrifice
> > was to take place was the rock that is, now, under 'The Dome of the
> > Rock'. I.e., the mountain is currently called 'Zion'. If it was
> > called 'The Lord Provides' then that lends credence to my theory that
> > there is enough room on it NOW for a third building between the two
> > that are there now, i.e., the Third Temple. Thus, the mountain STILL
> > has the potential to provide for the means towards future
> > reconciliation between Isaac and Ishmael. At which translation were
> > you looking? Because I'm going to go home and check out the actual
> > Hebrew and see for myself. This could be the basis for a very
> > powerful argument towards peace and reconciliation, as I see it.
>
> > > On Sep 29, 10:35 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > On 29 Sep, 14:39, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Very interesting, Slip. This is the passage of the bible I have been
> > > > > contemplating for several weeks. The meaning wasn't clear to me until
> > > > > I read a translation of the bible that had Abraham naming the mountain
> > > > > where he took Isaac to sacrifice "The Lord Provides." I don't think
> > > > > this is really a passage about killing our children, although there
> > > > > are plenty of opinions in that vein to be found. I think it is the
> > > > > passage that explains to us the process of the manifestation of our
> > > > > experience, and the necessity to let go of our own goals or creations,
> > > > > and sacrifice our suffering (the ram in the thorns) so that it is out
> > > > > of the way and the our highest potential can become manifest. I find
> > > > > hope in this passage, and instruction.
>
> > > > And, as Jesus said in Gethsemene, 'not my will, but Thine be done.'
> > > > I.e., He was asking for the Lord's provision.
>
> > > > > On Sep 29, 8:18 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > > Yes of course, communicate with God alone, happened the other day,
> > > > > > then he told me to kill my son, said like Abraham, said not to worry
> > > > > > that he wont die, I said 'wont that be attempted murder'? God said
> > > > > > "yes, but don't worry, I'm God and I'll have you out in 5-10 with
> > > > > > good
> > > > > > behavior and if you read my book that will be easy!"
>
> > > > > > On Sep 29, 6:31 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > > > On 28 Sep, 17:39, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Emotions can be expressed in isolation.
>
> > > > > > > Absolutely. In that way, we communicate our feelings to God
> > > > > > > alone.
> > > > > > > Not that God doesn't receive the messages when we are NOT alone,
> > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > He is the only receiver when we ARE alone.
>
> > > > > > > > On Sep 28, 11:05 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > On 27 Sep, 17:13, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > What role does emotion play in our everyday lives? How
> > > > > > > > > > does emotion
> > > > > > > > > > affect our experience and being? These are questions
> > > > > > > > > > addressed by
> > > > > > > > > > some of the finest minds of our era.
>
> > > > > > > > > > For Piaget, emotion is the motivating force of action
> > > > > > > > > > emanating from
> > > > > > > > > > outside the individual in the form of sensations emitted by
> > > > > > > > > > objects.
> > > > > > > > > > His view is rooted in the Newtonian conception of a
> > > > > > > > > > universe comprised
> > > > > > > > > > in isolated objects requiring an emotive force to initiate
> > > > > > > > > > a series of
> > > > > > > > > > mechanistic interactions between objects. Piaget reduces
> > > > > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > > conscious human experience to a cognitive formulation of
> > > > > > > > > > these causal
> > > > > > > > > > relations. His abstract concept of emotion as force
> > > > > > > > > > fails to
> > > > > > > > > > explain the relationship between bodily feelings, emotions,
> > > > > > > > > > and higher
> > > > > > > > > > forms of consciousness in human beings.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Alfred North Whitehead indicates the factors in human
> > > > > > > > > > nature which go
> > > > > > > > > > to make up the particular emotions, arise from our
> > > > > > > > > > apprehension of
> > > > > > > > > > these permanent features of order in the world. His
> > > > > > > > > > concrete concept
> > > > > > > > > > of emotion gives insight into the experience of bodily
> > > > > > > > > > feelings and
> > > > > > > > > > their relationship to the growth and learning of human
> > > > > > > > > > beings. He
> > > > > > > > > > explains the emotions are the crucial mediating factors
> > > > > > > > > > between the
> > > > > > > > > > welter of awareness of these feelings in higher organisms.
> > > > > > > > > > “We
> > > > > > > > > > perceive other things which are in the world of actualities
> > > > > > > > > > in the
> > > > > > > > > > same sense as we are. So our emotions are directed toward
> > > > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > things, including of course, our bodily organs . . . the
> > > > > > > > > > world for me
> > > > > > > > > > is nothing else than how the functioning of my body present
> > > > > > > > > > it for my
> > > > > > > > > > experience.”
>
> > > > > > > > > > Jean Paul Sartre sees it differently in his book, The
> > > > > > > > > > Emotions,
> > > > > > > > > > Outline of a Theory. He sees our emotion as an “abrupt
> > > > > > > > > > drop of
> > > > > > > > > > consciousness into the magical.” He believes: “emotion is
> > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > accidental modification of a subject which would otherwise
> > > > > > > > > > be plunged
> > > > > > > > > > into an unchanged world. It is easy to see that every
> > > > > > > > > > emotional
> > > > > > > > > > apprehension of an object which frightens, irritates,
> > > > > > > > > > sadness, etc.,
> > > > > > > > > > can be made only on the basis of a total alteration of the
> > > > > > > > > > world. In
> > > > > > > > > > order that an object may in reality appear terrible, it
> > > > > > > > > > must realize
> > > > > > > > > > itself as an immediate and magical presence face to face
> > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > consciousness.“ In other words, we modify our experience
> > > > > > > > > > with emotion
> > > > > > > > > > to make it more comfortable, according to our own nature.
> > > > > > > > > > We emote
> > > > > > > > > > sadness, anger or gloom because “lacking the power and will
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > accomplish the acts which we have been planning, we behave
> > > > > > > > > > in such a
> > > > > > > > > > way that the universe no longer requires anything of us.”
>
> > > > > > > > > > What do YOU think?
>
> > > > > > > > > As for me, I see emotions as the outward expression of inner
> > > > > > > > > feelings. They are the way we communicate our inner feelings
> > > > > > > > > to those
> > > > > > > > > around us. So, emotions are a form of communication of data
> > > > > > > > > (our
> > > > > > > > > inner feelings) to those who cannot (and, perhaps, could not)
> > > > > > > > > perceive
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