Slip...There is a reason Jesus spoke in parables. There is also a reason why he said "Do not throw your pearls before swine". You have to deduce for yourself to some extent. Or else people who are not ready for the information just get frustrated. In the older days people would give their lives to know...HISTORICALLY only the ELITE would have access to this kind of information. TIMES ARE CHANGING...but we must still be RESPECTFUL of ALL BELIEFS.
There's a REASON why 90% of people who win the lotto go bankrupt again...It's because they didn't change THEMSELVES. Their same habits, thoughts, being, brings about the same circumstances. The OUTER always reflects the INNER. What is above is so below. Their is a fundamental problem to manifesting(THE SECRET etc..) Don't get me wrong there are ways to do it...which they don't really teach. But anyways, theres a fundamental problem with it. It's still too much like throwing a stone down a dark alleyway...must people don't understand the ALCHEMY behind it and therefore aren't truly EFFECTIVE. Is it more advantageous to SECRET a million dollars or to acquire the character traits that will produce a million dollars TIME AND TIME AGAIN? The former is powerless(UNLESS the PROCESS IS UNDERSTOOD)...the latter can replicate the results anywhere. FUTURE = PAST + PRESENT... Where is the POWER? PRESENT the "I"...I AM THAT I AM. Now we are getting into KABBALISTIC, TAOIST, HERMETIC ALCHEMY...I'm not comfortable with sharing this on this forum. If you're interested my EMAIL is listed. On Oct 8, 7:23 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > Seems as though you are not responding as much to previous posts, > which are in response to your questions, as you are posing new > questions. > I think you should elaborate considerably in order to keep the thread > flowing. You said "what is above is so below", what do you mean by > that? > Clarify "everything on the outside is a reflection of the inside" and > "everything is perception". > Don't just ask questions and then disregard the answers or respond > with "ok now ...........another ?" > What is "ok"? > > On Oct 8, 4:53 pm, bobby <[email protected]> wrote: > > > OK...what is more IMPORTANT...the POSSESIONS or the level of MIND that > > can grant you the POSSESIONS, HEALTH, FREEDOM? > > > EVERYTHING on the OUTSIDE is a reflection of the INSIDE. > > > EVERYTHING is perception...How does one acquire the perception to > > recognize a situation where ABUNDANCE is created? > > > On Oct 8, 9:55 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > a good point to be made, prayers for possession are probably futile, > > > but prayers for becoming more effective. > > > > On Oct 8, 9:26 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Another route is that "it" doesn't come one's way- and for good > > > > reason, ultimately. I do expect God to multi-task :-) so I will > > > > beseech help as well as be grateful for what I perceive as blessings > > > > of the day- often, it is really my own ability to solve a small > > > > problem or locate an item, etc.- small exchanges, really. I presume > > > > chit-chat prayers are allowed. > > > > > On Oct 7, 8:39 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I believe it to be simply focusing one's mind on the need or change, > > > > > the cosmos does the rest. Could be tapping into the collective > > > > > subconscious. Of course this is not something that one manipulates > > > > > that which is, like telekinesis etc. We don't just focus to win > > > > > lotto. However, my experience has shown that when I have a need of > > > > > something it just comes my way after I focus on having it, not > > > > > immediately or directly but through a series of occurrences that lead > > > > > to the acquisition. It's a strange thing but, for me, it does happen > > > > > and I have many stories to demonstrate it, but I won't bore anyone > > > > > with all that. The point is, there is something within us that is > > > > > part of the cosmos and all it's workings, part of some matrix of > > > > > energy, zero point field, collective subconscious, land of the dead, I > > > > > don't really know. For sure it is not something that you can convey > > > > > to another, some have it and some don't. The focusing is a intent > > > > > knowing that you are connected to something greater, a mental > > > > > transcendence of the consciousness. I think there have been people > > > > > throughout history that have had mastered it and were perceived to be > > > > > gods. > > > > > > On Oct 7, 5:36 pm, bobby <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > WOW! Slip Disc... > > > > > > > OK Now...How does one change ONE'S circumstances, emotions, health, > > > > > > world? > > > > > > > What is ABOVE is so BELOW. > > > > > > > On Oct 7, 1:58 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > you and Jim Morrisonhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDJtJwJrv7Q > > > > > > > > On Oct 7, 4:48 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Well I think prayer in any form, in any religion, is an > > > > > > > > admission that > > > > > > > > we ourselves are not capable of or unwilling to directly effect > > > > > > > > change in a situation, therefore we call upon, IMO, a perceived > > > > > > > > notion > > > > > > > > of a higher power that facilitates change upon our calling, > > > > > > > > when in > > > > > > > > fact all indications of such a thing happening is literally non > > > > > > > > existent in the history of man, that is, other than fairy tale > > > > > > > > books > > > > > > > > that have been written, of which we have no personal or > > > > > > > > contemporary > > > > > > > > account of, validation of nor any present day re-occurrence of. > > > > > > > > > On Oct 7, 12:37 pm, bobby <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Does GOD want us to praise him or does he want us to be > > > > > > > > > abundant and > > > > > > > > > HELP those around us to be abundant as well? Is it better to > > > > > > > > > praise > > > > > > > > > GOD or is it Better TO BE GOD...is God Poor? Sick? > > > > > > > > > Unhappy?...NO we > > > > > > > > > already discussed divine attributes... My wish is that people > > > > > > > > > realize > > > > > > > > > this... BUT some are just not ready for these teachings and > > > > > > > > > for them > > > > > > > > > religion is a safe zone. > > > > > > > > > > GOD is Balance - beauty, abundance, happiness...too many > > > > > > > > > times the > > > > > > > > > religious sabotage themselves...Believe it or not it is our > > > > > > > > > NATURE to > > > > > > > > > be HAPPY, ABUNDANT. > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 7, 7:45 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Personally I think prayer of truly learning to function > > > > > > > > > > within God as I > > > > > > > > > > understand him, but each person must find their own chosen > > > > > > > > > > path. To each > > > > > > > > > > there is as much or as little as their choosing, everything > > > > > > > > > > is of free will > > > > > > > > > > and choice. > > > > > > > > > > > Ah once again it is the eastern gate.. > > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Molly Brogan > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that there are different forms of prayer, and > > > > > > > > > > > which we use > > > > > > > > > > > depends on whether we see God as someone or something > > > > > > > > > > > external to us - > > > > > > > > > > > some all mighty force outside of our selves > > > > > > > > > > > (anthropomorphic) - or > > > > > > > > > > > whether we see God as an integral part of ourselves and > > > > > > > > > > > our highest > > > > > > > > > > > (or most complete) state of consciousness. These two > > > > > > > > > > > very different > > > > > > > > > > > concepts of God might call for different forms of prayer > > > > > > > > > > > (but not > > > > > > > > > > > necessarily) > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 7, 8:24 am, "[email protected]" > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > *sigh* Theres always one huh! ;¬) > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7 Oct, 12:56, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I praise God AFTER I get what I want! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 7, 6:36 am, "[email protected]" > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Bobby welcome to ya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prayer is a funny old thing, my self I don't aghree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with a word tha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you say about it. To me prayer is no more than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > singing the prasies > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God, no asking, no begging, no putting your energy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out intio the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > univers in order for you to 'get stiff'. Just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simply singing the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prasies of God. So I for one can say that I have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never prayed for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything, not for ill friends, not for good exam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results, just to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > praise God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So to my mind if you do indeed use prayer for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting things that you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > want, then you just have missed the whole point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7 Oct, 01:41, bobby <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ask and you shall receive. DOES NOT say ask ME > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and you shall > > > > > > > > > > > receive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Too often people think they are praying TO God, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > outside of > > > > > > > > > > > them...in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > heaven somewhere... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets put aside the obvious God knows everything > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then why would I > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HAVE to pray to (him??) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you transfer your thoughts outside your own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > body? Never the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > less...into HEAVEN miles and miles away in space > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you PRAY you are not ASKING some being to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > GRANT to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You should be stating what you want and your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > energy will flow > > > > > > > > > > > there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's a responsibility thing...I think religions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are great for the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people who are religious but from MY point of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > view they are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > irresponsible. When something doesn't go their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way they blame > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > GOD...when it does they blame GOD. 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