reconciliation sounds wonderful, as does salvation (suggested by Justin in another thread) - both offer the freedom and security of communion with God. I think prayers with either of these as a focus would elevate the spirit.
On Oct 8, 11:08 pm, Manfraco Frank the Elder <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi to you all > You seem to be talking about God and Prayers, and which way is better > than the other, I believe that every one of us has his/her own ways of > seeing these things, and my own way is different from yours I am sure. > So let me say what I believe, since I have a theory of my own, which > hopefully one day may become my best contribution to the welfare of > humanity, if I happen to be able to write it all down and people > accept it, and it will be my greatest contribution I can ever make, at > least I hope it is. > In this theory of mine there will be most of those things you are > talking about, and therefore, it may be an answer to those questions > you are asking within this tread. > I don’t want to be very boring, so I have to try to say as little as I > can, and instead I will try to send you links to my Prayers of > Reconciliation, which at the moment is only about one tenth of what I > believe it will be when I finish it. > Here is a link to it, if you like to see Prayers of Reconciliations, > you click on the link below and at the bottom of this site, there is > also an attachment called Prayers of Reconciliations, I hope it > works? > > http://sites.google.com/site/manfracoreconciliations/ > > The link above doesn't seem to work, and another way to get there, is > to Google my blog, "manfraco.blogspot.com" and from there find the > link to Manfracoreconciliations, and then navigate to the bottom of > the site where is the attachment called, Prayers of Reconciliations, > All the best and My Regards > Manfraco > > On Oct 9, 1:23 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Seems as though you are not responding as much to previous posts, > > which are in response to your questions, as you are posing new > > questions. > > I think you should elaborate considerably in order to keep the thread > > flowing. You said "what is above is so below", what do you mean by > > that? > > Clarify "everything on the outside is a reflection of the inside" and > > "everything is perception". > > Don't just ask questions and then disregard the answers or respond > > with "ok now ...........another ?" > > What is "ok"? > > > On Oct 8, 4:53 pm, bobby <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > OK...what is more IMPORTANT...the POSSESIONS or the level of MIND that > > > can grant you the POSSESIONS, HEALTH, FREEDOM? > > > > EVERYTHING on the OUTSIDE is a reflection of the INSIDE. > > > > EVERYTHING is perception...How does one acquire the perception to > > > recognize a situation where ABUNDANCE is created? > > > > On Oct 8, 9:55 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > a good point to be made, prayers for possession are probably futile, > > > > but prayers for becoming more effective. > > > > > On Oct 8, 9:26 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Another route is that "it" doesn't come one's way- and for good > > > > > reason, ultimately. I do expect God to multi-task :-) so I will > > > > > beseech help as well as be grateful for what I perceive as blessings > > > > > of the day- often, it is really my own ability to solve a small > > > > > problem or locate an item, etc.- small exchanges, really. I presume > > > > > chit-chat prayers are allowed. > > > > > > On Oct 7, 8:39 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I believe it to be simply focusing one's mind on the need or change, > > > > > > the cosmos does the rest. Could be tapping into the collective > > > > > > subconscious. Of course this is not something that one manipulates > > > > > > that which is, like telekinesis etc. We don't just focus to win > > > > > > lotto. However, my experience has shown that when I have a need of > > > > > > something it just comes my way after I focus on having it, not > > > > > > immediately or directly but through a series of occurrences that > > > > > > lead > > > > > > to the acquisition. It's a strange thing but, for me, it does > > > > > > happen > > > > > > and I have many stories to demonstrate it, but I won't bore anyone > > > > > > with all that. The point is, there is something within us that is > > > > > > part of the cosmos and all it's workings, part of some matrix of > > > > > > energy, zero point field, collective subconscious, land of the > > > > > > dead, I > > > > > > don't really know. For sure it is not something that you can > > > > > > convey > > > > > > to another, some have it and some don't. The focusing is a intent > > > > > > knowing that you are connected to something greater, a mental > > > > > > transcendence of the consciousness. I think there have been people > > > > > > throughout history that have had mastered it and were perceived to > > > > > > be > > > > > > gods. > > > > > > > On Oct 7, 5:36 pm, bobby <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > WOW! Slip Disc... > > > > > > > > OK Now...How does one change ONE'S circumstances, emotions, > > > > > > > health, > > > > > > > world? > > > > > > > > What is ABOVE is so BELOW. > > > > > > > > On Oct 7, 1:58 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > you and Jim Morrisonhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDJtJwJrv7Q > > > > > > > > > On Oct 7, 4:48 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Well I think prayer in any form, in any religion, is an > > > > > > > > > admission that > > > > > > > > > we ourselves are not capable of or unwilling to directly > > > > > > > > > effect > > > > > > > > > change in a situation, therefore we call upon, IMO, a > > > > > > > > > perceived notion > > > > > > > > > of a higher power that facilitates change upon our calling, > > > > > > > > > when in > > > > > > > > > fact all indications of such a thing happening is literally > > > > > > > > > non > > > > > > > > > existent in the history of man, that is, other than fairy > > > > > > > > > tale books > > > > > > > > > that have been written, of which we have no personal or > > > > > > > > > contemporary > > > > > > > > > account of, validation of nor any present day re-occurrence > > > > > > > > > of. > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 7, 12:37 pm, bobby <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Does GOD want us to praise him or does he want us to be > > > > > > > > > > abundant and > > > > > > > > > > HELP those around us to be abundant as well? Is it better > > > > > > > > > > to praise > > > > > > > > > > GOD or is it Better TO BE GOD...is God Poor? Sick? > > > > > > > > > > Unhappy?...NO we > > > > > > > > > > already discussed divine attributes... My wish is that > > > > > > > > > > people realize > > > > > > > > > > this... BUT some are just not ready for these teachings and > > > > > > > > > > for them > > > > > > > > > > religion is a safe zone. > > > > > > > > > > > GOD is Balance - beauty, abundance, happiness...too many > > > > > > > > > > times the > > > > > > > > > > religious sabotage themselves...Believe it or not it is our > > > > > > > > > > NATURE to > > > > > > > > > > be HAPPY, ABUNDANT. > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 7, 7:45 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Personally I think prayer of truly learning to function > > > > > > > > > > > within God as I > > > > > > > > > > > understand him, but each person must find their own > > > > > > > > > > > chosen path. To each > > > > > > > > > > > there is as much or as little as their choosing, > > > > > > > > > > > everything is of free will > > > > > > > > > > > and choice. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah once again it is the eastern gate.. > > > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Molly Brogan > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that there are different forms of prayer, and > > > > > > > > > > > > which we use > > > > > > > > > > > > depends on whether we see God as someone or something > > > > > > > > > > > > external to us - > > > > > > > > > > > > some all mighty force outside of our selves > > > > > > > > > > > > (anthropomorphic) - or > > > > > > > > > > > > whether we see God as an integral part of ourselves and > > > > > > > > > > > > our highest > > > > > > > > > > > > (or most complete) state of consciousness. These two > > > > > > > > > > > > very different > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts of God might call for different forms of > > > > > > > > > > > > prayer (but not > > > > > > > > > > > > necessarily) > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 7, 8:24 am, "[email protected]" > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > *sigh* Theres always one huh! ;¬) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7 Oct, 12:56, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I praise God AFTER I get what I want! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 7, 6:36 am, "[email protected]" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Bobby welcome to ya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prayer is a funny old thing, my self I don't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aghree with a word tha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you say about it. To me prayer is no more than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > singing the prasies > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God, no asking, no begging, no putting your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > energy out intio the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > univers in order for you to 'get stiff'. Just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simply singing the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prasies of God. So I for one can say that I have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never prayed for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything, not for ill friends, not for good exam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results, just to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > praise God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So to my mind if you do indeed use prayer for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting things that you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > want, then you just have missed the whole point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7 Oct, 01:41, bobby <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ask and you shall receive. DOES NOT say ask ME > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and you shall > > > > > > > > > > > > receive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Too often people think they are praying TO God, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > outside of > > > > > > > > > > > > them...in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > heaven somewhere... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets put aside the obvious God knows everything > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then why would I > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HAVE to pray to (him??) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you transfer your thoughts outside your own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > body? Never the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > less...into HEAVEN miles and miles away in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > space somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you PRAY you are not ASKING some being to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > GRANT to you. > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
