On Oct 29, 2:53 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
> “OK if it is a state of mind, then it is conditioned as all states
> come and go. But Nirvana is supposedly unconditioned. What do you make of
> that?” – e
> At the base of Mind is found this luminosity which is for lack of
> better words, a state.
This is why I am poking around the fire for some luminosity. I just
want to see if we can talk about it without being a state of
something. Now I am not asking you to let go of your mind only
beliefs, just trying to look afresh at what the heck it is or isn't,
etc. BTW you said the luminosity as conditioned state of mind was not
emptiness but it is now Nirvana?
>And, this base of mind does not change (come
> and go). It is omnipresent.
Right and so we hit on another issue I see with calling it a state of
permanence that exists in (my) mind. Buddha felt that all conditioned
things were impermanent and human beings by definition are
impermanent. So how can (my) mind have permanence? Now please don't
think I am being dogmatic here referring to Buddha in my posts, it
just seems to me if we stretch the thread in the yanas too thin then
it breaks and are we then still talking about Buddhism?
>So, in that sense it [state – Nirvana] is
> equivalent to the Christian “Kingdom”.
Even though I was born, raised and live in the US, I was never
indoctrinated into Christianity. Thank God! Otherwise I probably would
never have found Buddhism. :-) So I have no basis of understanding to
comment.
> I believe that some confusion
> arises here when people hold a belief that Nirvana (or the Kingdom)
> can only be ‘entered’ upon death. I do not hold this belief.
Me neither.
FYI, I love all the yanas. However, I don't see three turnings but 3
broad commentaries that arose as Buddhism spread thru other cultures.
I think this 3 turning stuff is sort of silly, it is not like
Nagarjuna found anything new within the teaching. He just clarified
and recentered the teaching as folks went astray. Which was/is
inevitable.
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