Ah, e, let me introduce you to Pat.  Pat, e, e, Pat.  No free will.
Common ground.

On Nov 14, 12:25 pm, e <[email protected]> wrote:
> Don I am sorry if that is what you came away with from my post. It was
> not a wholesale I don’t give a fuck about everything, it was I don’t
> give a fuck about what is happening to ME that precipitated the event.
> You see I was taking everything personally, the pain in the legs was
> MY pain. When I quit owning it, it disappeared. And since there was no
> longer anything to fight against, I disappeared too. Which did not
> mean there was no care taken, the teeth were brushed the clothes put
> away before sleep, etc. etc. It was all done impersonally. Now that is
> the way it always gets done but thought says “I did that”.  It is like
> Krishnamurti was saying in the other thread, personal experience
> (reacting  personally to pleasant or unpleasant sensations) has
> nothing to do with impersonal truth.
>
> So neurophenomenologically there is a world/body border that is
> created by the sensate. It feels like we exist inside the body. Then
> thought models what is “outside” of that border. When the sensate
> which creates an opaque shell becomes translucent, inside and outside
> (one of the fundamental dualities people believe in) lose all meaning
> and disappear. Without that duality, all the models that are
> constructed by thought based on that duality lose their credibility as
> well. So at that point there is freedom (from choice) but no will as
> there is no self inside to choose to do something outside.
>
> Re: the pretzel thing. It is according to custom to sit cross legged.
> It is a very stable position that once you get accustomed too, you can
> sit easily for extended periods of time. You can do it sitting in a
> chair but it winds up being harder on the body in the long run.

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