I see. Glad that's all cleared up. I'll just get a gun and head for the closest mall now.
I haven't read the Koran. I did stand watch with a Muslim for about 3 years though. Learned a lot. Ate a lot of his wife's tasty food. Found out I really like curry. What stood out with Abdul is his complete devotion to Allah. He'd stop everything and pray and the phone wouldn't get answered, alarms wouldn't get checked out and I think time stopped for him for about 4 or 5 minutes. I found out revenge(according to him) was part of Islam. This from a guy that read from the book every single day. He spend a great deal of time working to ruin our bosses life because he was angry about being embarrassed by a public comment our boss had made on Abdul's lack of commitment to the job that made everyone in the room laugh. Abdul's opinions on the 'rights' of women were quite different then what is normal here in the States. Arranged marraige, of course, for starters. He was 24 years older then her. She walked behind him, didn't speak in public, wore the burka, yadda yadda yadda. Real progressive. Not. That said, I don't think Abdul was capable of murder. This was way before 9/11 so I don't know for sure how he would have reacted but I have a clue. I was working with him when the Towers were bombed and he expressed glee. No kidding excitement and pleasure. He must have been ecstatic when the planes hit on 9/11. And, of course, I'll NEVER forget the footage of Palestinians celebrating in the streets on that day. Truly disgusting. I wonder, given your views expressed here Pat; what do you think of when you think of 9/11? Sorrow or Celebration? Enquiring minds want to know. I want to know. -Don On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 40 AM, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 2 Dec, 16:57, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >> Muslims will be conquered by the Chinese, perhaps. The only other >> solution is to level their countries like we did Germany and Japan- >> who, at least, were industrialized. The only thing Islam has going for >> it are oil deposits in various countries. But we have water. >> > > "The only thing Islam has going for it are oil deposits in various > countries." > > I take it, from that, that you have never read the Qur'an. The > main gist of it (Islam/the Qur'an) is that mankind should not oppress > one another and that we should care for the orphans and elderly and > the poor and treat all individuals with respect. Much of the > remainder is outlining examples of previous peoples who did NOT act > that way and reminding the reader of how those peoples were > destroyed. Also, there's a fair amount of instructions on how to > maintain women's rights to inheritance and their right to be heard-- > things that, in the West, women didn't get until the latter part of > the 19th Century/early 20th century. I.e., the Qur'an was, with > respect to women's rights, some 1300 years ahead of its time. > The problems come in when Western society demands its right to be > intoxicated and irascible to the point of outright destructive > behaviour afterwards and the duty to oppress one another through usury > and other ways (in the name of 'Survival of the Fittest', a euphemism > for maintaining that animal instincts are the way forward!!) and > Muslims don't understand why Western, supposedly civilised people, > demand the right to act like idiots, screw up the environment and take > as much as is possible from those who have the least. Muslims don't > view that as civilised behaviour. > With respect to the oil, it won't always be there, as the West is > using it up and fouling the Earth with its waste products. After the > oil is gone, what Islam will be left with is what they have had for > 1400+ years...the moral high ground. > >> On Dec 2, 10:45 am, fran the man <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > In a referendum last Sunday, 57.5% of the Swiss voted to ban minarets. >> >> > As right-wing populists cheered and liberal multi-culturalists were >> > shocked, the Swiss decision reflects a deep problem for western >> > democracies, particularly in Europe. How do you integrate a religious >> > culture into a pluralist society, which has mutual tolerance as one of >> > its basic principles, when significant groups in that culture reject >> > many principles of that society which is trying to integrate them? Is >> > this a signal that the meeting between western societies and Islam >> > leads to irreconcilable differences? Or is the Swiss vote basically, >> > or partly, an expression of deep-seated racism and subjective views of >> > cultural superiority? >> >> > Some background: >> >> >http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,664231,00.html >> >> > Francis- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
