About 1:20 into this is about the only copy of it I could find online by the one who first seduced me from the naïve thinking that the title was heretical. (Sammy Davis Jr.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tMtaIXUmbM A different version. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjncTfdaEHs&feature=related On Dec 4, 5:29 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > The Intifada was supported by Muslim countries- notably Iraq and Saudi > Arabia (cash to the families) but also Egypt, etc. "The things that > you're liable to read in the bible (Koran) ain't necessarily so..." > George and Ira Gershwin > > On Dec 4, 7:23 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 3 Dec, 19:11, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I see. Glad that's all cleared up. I'll just get a gun and head for > > > the closest mall now. > > > > I haven't read the Koran. I did stand watch with a Muslim for about 3 > > > years though. Learned a lot. Ate a lot of his wife's tasty food. > > > Found out I really like curry. What stood out with Abdul is his > > > complete devotion to Allah. He'd stop everything and pray and the > > > phone wouldn't get answered, alarms wouldn't get checked out and I > > > think time stopped for him for about 4 or 5 minutes. > > > The concept is that, if you are devoted to Allah, Allah will note that > > and reward you in the life to come. Islam views the 'Hereafter' as > > being eternal, therefore in the long term, FAR more important than > > this temporal existence. > > > > I found out revenge(according to him) was part of Islam. > > > The concept of "an eye for an eye" is a part of the Torah, as well. > > So is that grounds for antisemitism? The Qur'an allows like-for-like > > retribution; however, it also discourages that and prefers that such > > vengeance NOT be enacted nor encouraged. As an example, if a man > > kills you wife, then you would have the right to kill that man. You > > would NOT, though, have the right to kill anyone else (like the > > murderer's wife, as a 'tit-for-tat' revenge). Only the person guilty > > of the murder would be allowed to be put to death by the offended > > individual. In the pre-Islam 'pagan-Arab' world, it was common for > > revenge to be taken against the entire family of the murderer. The > > Qur'an put an end to that by restricting retaliation to the offender > > alone. This is, without doubt, a step forward from their (the 'pagan- > > Arabs') previous practices. > > > >This from a > > > guy that read from the book every single day. He spend a great deal > > > of time working to ruin our bosses life because he was angry about > > > being embarrassed by a public comment our boss had made on Abdul's > > > lack of commitment to the job that made everyone in the room laugh. > > > It is considered an offense to God to ridicule another indivdual. > > It's anti-social behaviour and encourages hatred. Abdul SHOULD have > > been offended by a boss who made others laugh at him. What was to > > gain by that? Respect for the bosses discriminating ridicule? > > Equally, everyone who laughed, joined in the ridicule and acted anti- > > socially. From what you describe, Abdul's reacted to ridicule, > > perhaps, in a poor fashion, but the question should be: why was he > > publicly ridiculed? If it was a work-related matter, his boss should > > have taken him aside and discussed it with him privately. Instead, > > 'the boss' publicly ridiculed him. Sounds like Abdul has the moral > > high ground here and, while he has a good reason to be angry, it might > > have been better to look for another place to work wwhere the boss > > wasn't a prat. > > > > Abdul's opinions on the 'rights' of women were quite different then > > > what is normal here in the States. Arranged marraige, of course, for > > > starters. He was 24 years older then her. She walked behind him, > > > didn't speak in public, wore the burka, yadda yadda yadda. Real > > > progressive. Not. > > > The concept of arranged marriages is not particularly Islamic but > > cultural to many various peoples who have become muslim over time. > > Jews used to (and still do in some cases) arrange marriages due to > > their former cultural practices. > > As far as Islam is concerned, it is better to have sex within the > > sanctity of marriage than it is to commit fornication. Therefore, > > when people are of the age when they start to want to have sex, then > > the family tries to ensure that they are married, so as to prevent > > fornication. > > The wearing of a burkah is a personal choice and is not an Islamic > > requirement. Modest dress is the requirement. But 'modest dress' is > > open for interpretation. Personally, given the amount of xenophobic > > antisemitism that is Islamophobia, it takes a brave girl to wear a > > burkah in public. She's braver than one who wears a bikini. But > > which, I ask you, of the two, is more likely to be 'wolf-whistled' or > > otherwise harassed? > > There is no injunction in the Qur'an stipulating that a wife should > > walk behind her husband. This is another example of a cultural > > practice not an Islamic dictat. > > > > That said, I don't think Abdul was capable of murder. This was way > > > before 9/11 so I don't know for sure how he would have reacted but I > > > have a clue. I was working with him when the Towers were bombed and > > > he expressed glee. No kidding excitement and pleasure. He must have > > > been ecstatic when the planes hit on 9/11. > > > But, of course, Islam would stand firmly against such action. It > > would stand against the terrorists and against those who got pleasure > > from their deeds. But 9/11 was intended to be a wake-up call to the > > West (America in particular) for their backing of Israeli oppression > > of Palestinians who are subjected to having their houses, markets and > > work-places bull-dozed by Israel and are given nowhere else to live or > > work. It is that kind of abject oppression that angers Muslims. > > > > And, of course, I'll NEVER forget the footage of Palestinians > > > celebrating in the streets on that day. Truly disgusting. > > > Yup. But I bet you didn't know that that was months old footage and > > was not an actual reaction to 9/11. It was a media ploy used for > > scare-mongering and to promote Islamophobia and encourage backing an > > illegal war. Fell right into that trap, did you? So much for > > independent media. > > > > I wonder, given your views expressed here Pat; what do you think of > > > when you think of 9/11? Sorrow or Celebration? Enquiring minds want > > > to know. I want to know. > > > I think, as I said above, its intent (by OBL) was to serve as a wake- > > up call to the West regarding the oppression of Palestinians. The > > ploy back-fired miserably and has only increased Western aggression > > against Muslims (eagerly backed by Neo-Con, Right-Wing, "Let's bring > > on Armageddon"-style [supposed] Christians who actually WANT a 'Final > > Crusade'). Of course I don't back terrorist tactics. For one thing, > > September 11th was my wedding anniversary. That didn't help. But, on > > a more human level, I was shocked for days when I saw it and was > > brought to tears on many occasions thinking about it and having it > > 'replay' in my mind. Terrorist tactics like suicide bombings are > > strictly forbidden by Islam and, therefore, should NOT be associated > > with it. The fact that many suicide bombings are carried out by > > people who profess to be Muslim is a shame against those individuals > > rather than a shame against Islam, as their actions demonstrate that > > they are, in fact, NOT Muslims at all. > > > > -Don > > > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 40 AM, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 2 Dec, 16:57, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Muslims will be conquered by the Chinese, perhaps. The only other > > > >> solution is to level their countries like we did Germany and Japan- > > > >> who, at least, were industrialized. The only thing Islam has going for > > > >> it are oil deposits in various countries. But we have water. > > > > > "The only thing Islam has going for it are oil deposits in various > > > > countries." > > > > > I take it, from that, that you have never read the Qur'an. The > > > > main gist of it (Islam/the Qur'an) is that mankind should not oppress > > > > one another and that we should care for the orphans and elderly and > > > > the poor and treat all individuals with respect. Much of the > > > > remainder is outlining examples of previous peoples who did NOT act > > > > that way and reminding the reader of how those peoples were > > > > destroyed. Also, there's a fair amount of instructions on how to > > > > maintain women's rights to inheritance and their right to be heard-- > > > > things that, in the West, women didn't get until the latter part of > > > > the 19th Century/early 20th century. I.e., the Qur'an was, with > > > > respect to women's rights, some 1300 years ahead of its time. > > > > The problems come in when Western society demands its right to be > > > > intoxicated and irascible to the point of outright destructive > > > > behaviour afterwards and the duty to oppress one another through usury > > > > and other ways (in the name of 'Survival of the Fittest', a euphemism > > > > for maintaining that animal instincts are the way forward!!) and > > > > Muslims don't understand why Western, supposedly civilised people, > > > > demand the right to act like idiots, screw up the environment and take > > > > as much as is possible from those who have the least. Muslims don't > > > > view that as civilised behaviour. > > > > With respect to the oil, it won't always be there, as the West is > > > > using it up and fouling the Earth with its waste products. After the > > > > oil is gone, what Islam will be left with is what they have had for > > > > 1400+ years...the moral high ground. > > > > >> On Dec 2, 10:45 am, fran the man <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > In a referendum last Sunday, 57.5% of the Swiss voted to ban > > > >> > minarets. > > > > >> > As right-wing populists cheered and liberal multi-culturalists were > > > >> > shocked, the Swiss decision reflects a deep problem for western > > > >> > democracies, particularly in Europe. How do you integrate a > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
