In the end really refers to the end of one activist activity such as
the case of Mother Teresa.  Sure she made a difference but in the end,
her end, things remain the same, the slum dogs are still there
pilfering through mounds of trash for tidbits of food.  The changes
that came about as a result of MLK were due in large part to the fact
that it was a national issue which had a greater percentage of should
than should not.  The general consensus was in favor and so the voices
made the changes as they have now with Obama in office.  Still overall
things have not changed much, Green Peace has not put an end to the
issues for which it causes and many other example abound.  Is there a
resignation of society towards the ills and atrocities of the world?
I would think so for the very reason of which I pointed out, that much
remains the same save the rhetoric or the political and corporate
propagandists.  When GMF's first hit the screen there was a huge
public awareness and outrage, but now hardly a peep, so why is that?

On Dec 5, 5:24 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
> “..for sure in the end no great change
> can take place without activism on a grand scale, the meeting of the
> minds, idealism in the pluralistic sense…” – SD
>
> On the surface and in some instances this appears to be common sense
> and truth. In this way extreme resignation and  the acceptance of the
> all pervading fear of being targeted by monied forces can rule the
> day. And, actions by a single person or small groups can and have
> changed the whole. This can be demonstrated from the murder of
> Archduke Ferdinand to that of JFK, his brother, Malcolm X and Martin
> Luther King Jr., from a small band of tea party members throwing tea
> from governmentally biased reduced taxation over the side to a single
> man who doesn’t even drive taking public transportation to Washington
> DC and getting auto and other all encompassing consumer safety
> legislation passed. While not massive when looked at the whole,
> Schindler made a great difference as has Mother Teresa. There are
> countless other examples.
>
> And, of course when addressing issues like legislation, a consensus
> does help…when one ignores things like earmarks and amendments helping
> the few. Yet, even when the majority has a will for change, quite
> often the few can easily inhibit and actually entirely stifle such
> efforts…for a while.
>
> Without much more in the way of examples pro and con, on a larger
> scale, when one uses words like Slip has (“…in the end no great…grand
> scale…”), if analyzed, can be seen to create the desired result and
> make the point in question. “In the end” itself just does not occur.
> All is an ongoing process. Everything is interconnected and there is
> no end of process. Governments and cultures come and go. Ideologies
> come and go. Philosophies come and go. Ideals like freedom and liberty
> can be reduced to being seen as only existent when physically
> supported by the all powerful masses. So, how does one address the
> notions of great change and/or a grand scale without some sort of
> telos being involved?
>
> In the hearts of humanity there does exist such a multifarious unity
> that appears to be an innate and powerful driving force that can only
> be squelched or ignored by the heartless in individual and imposed
> instances…never killing off that which is part and parcel of humanity
> itself. So, in this way of apprehending, the ‘devil in the details’ is
> but a small ‘d’ phantom.
>
> What is humanity’s goal? Some say survival…something we all share at
> this moment. Yet even here, if looked at from a skeptic’s eyes, we all
> die…the planet will someday die. So, is the telos death itself? A few
> nihilists do espouse such a view. So, how does one approach the
> undeniable and factual inner light found in the heart of humanity?
>
> As mentioned, some ignore, some reject…yet most all do continue to eat
> if possible. Some turn to mythology and/or pious texts. Some
> prophesize wars between dark and the light. Some delve within
> directly. Whatever methodology is involved, any action that rekindles
> the awareness of this inner spark is part of the telos itself.
>
> On Dec 5, 2:01 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Being an activist is good for the individual and for those directly
> > affected by the motive. However, for sure in the end no great change
> > can take place without activism on a grand scale, the meeting of the
> > minds, idealism in the pluralistic sense. From Green Peace to Mother
> > Teresa we can see that things really still remain the same and unless
> > there exists a global mindset concerning any and all crucial issues,
> > we'll continue to ride the carousel of social complacency.  Scream too
> > loud and your brakes will suddenly cease to function while your
> > crossing an expansion bridge, your car will plummet into the depths of
> > the sea rendering it unavailable for inspection to expose foul play.
> > If you just scream a little you'll wake up to authorities ransacking
> > your digs to uncover the planted controlled substances that will put
> > you in a little cage for the next 20 years where you can scream all
> > you want about the indignities of such confinements.  Freedom and
> > liberty are all but an illusion based upon conformity to the powers
> > that be.  These corporate entities knew decades ago that survival was
> > ultimately dependent upon gaining significant control of the governing
> > body, wherever they needed to conduct their business.  Money talks and
> > men mumble and so corruption is bought and paid for at the expense of
> > innocent lives.  It's the Bhopal stories retold a million times with
> > different titles but with the same underlying theme.  The sun tanned
> > ceo basking in the carribean sun on the deck of his yacht cares little
> > about the fallout from his chemical plant.
>
> > On Dec 5, 1:18 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > This all is some of why I no longer just ideate about such things.
> > > After decades of over idealism with all of its associated planning to
> > > someday do something to improve things, I’ve become more of an
> > > activist. On the one hand this appears to be a far cry from the
> > > metaphysical acceptance of things as they are however; with the help
> > > of the mirrors here, manifesting idealism IS the way through the false
> > > being of over idealism.  Thank you all!
>
> > > On Dec 4, 6:22 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Sweeping things under carpets is a panacea for all ills resulting from
> > > > corporate irresponsibility.  Passing the buck maneuvers cloud the real
> > > > issues and distract the public view from the tragedy, steering them
> > > > into a mode of "let's see what happens".  The delay tactic allows
> > > > sufficient time to lapse in order for people to get engrossed in their
> > > > everyday lives, which of course takes precedence over other matters,
> > > > rendering the suffering and pain of people on the other side of the
> > > > planet a distant memory.  As a result of that there is no longer
> > > > public outrage.
>
> > > > Let's face it, the fact is that most of us didn't really think about
> > > > Bhopal until the 25th anniversary reared it's ugly head.
>
> > > > On Dec 4, 4:34 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > The BBC did a thing on Bhopal business last night with hardly any
> > > > > reference to the disaster, showing how trinket-making and tourism will
> > > > > rescue the economy along with a scientific training institute.  What
> > > > > jerks we are.
>
> > > > > On 4 Dec, 19:13, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > It is interesting to note that your last example was of a company 
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > introduced Delysid back in 1947.
>
> > > > > > On Dec 4, 6:48 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Humanity has a great talent of ignoring collateral damage.  The
> > > > > > > governmental body, the one without a spine, is so lobbied with 
> > > > > > > hand
> > > > > > > grease that establishing culpability for the albatross is on a 
> > > > > > > double
> > > > > > > back burner.  The whole of it wreaks a stench of corporate and
> > > > > > > government bedfellows without conscience.   But then of course 
> > > > > > > when
> > > > > > > there is a natural disaster they're all clamoring for attention 
> > > > > > > in the
> > > > > > > global spotlight with so called humanitarian aid.  This is 
> > > > > > > different
> > > > > > > because it isn't a natural disaster and the call of the day is 
> > > > > > > "It's
> > > > > > > not my mess".  I don't know about the never again slogan, after 
> > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > there have been numerous other similar, not as devastating,
> > > > > > > disasters.
>
> > > > > > > TOULOUSE, FRANCE - September 21, 2001
> > > > > > > Around 300 tonnes of ammonium nitrate (AN) exploded, destroying 
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > site and wrecking buildings 3km (1 mile) away in the city center.
> > > > > > > The blast left a crater 50m (164 feet) wide and 10m deep. It was
> > > > > > > responsible for the death of 30 people, and 10,000 injuries.
>
> > > > > > > TEXAS CITY, TEXAS, US - March 23, 2005
> > > > > > > The 2005 disaster at UK oil major BP's Texas City refinery, in 
> > > > > > > Texas,
> > > > > > > US, was considered the nation's worst industrial disaster in 15 
> > > > > > > years.
>
> > > > > > > SCHWEIZERHALLE, SWITZERLAND - November 1, 1986
> > > > > > > Water used to extinguish a major fire at the Sandoz chemical 
> > > > > > > factory
> > > > > > > in 1986 washed chemicals into the river Rhine, one of Europe's 
> > > > > > > busiest
> > > > > > > waterways. The spill caused severe pollution, which took years to
> > > > > > > eradicate, and killed an estimated 500,000 fish.
>
> > > > > > > Even the Fish have to suffer the consequences.
>
> > > > > > > On Dec 3, 9:31 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> 
> > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > >http://www.democracynow.org/2009/12/3/25_years_after_bhopal_disaster_...
>
> > > > > > > > Just one example showing how embracing the pious dogma of the 
> > > > > > > > bottom
> > > > > > > > line can effect humanity…more human suffering and death than 
> > > > > > > > 9/11.
>
> > > > > > > > Is it too late to say ‘never again’?- Hide quoted text -
>
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