" ... should have been kept in mind at all times ... " Indeed. I would place this need of constant memory and instant recall as immediate, fundamental and strategic, in the cause of Freedom and Liberty for oneself and for all everywhere, starting in oneself, family, friends, colleagues, members of a common forum ... others may step up further to influence at even wider scale >>> politics, education, economics, medicine, psychiatry, law, bureaucracy ... But, the memory of that clear understanding, Freedom and Liberty for oneself and for all everywhere, without which we tend to forget our limits and sense of direction and proportion, must remain common and constant.
This is the one doing that needs to be done ... simplifying memory, in favour of those few overarching values that are not only non - negotiable ( except tactically, as ' in stooping to conquer ' ) but which also illuminate our path ahead, into the future, no matter the specifics present ... situation, people / individuals, walk of life, praise or contempt, feeling or thought, idea or trait. That one value, constantly remembered, to the exclusion anything else in experience, would leave us free and self - empowered. To the extent we have a community of activists who see their individual role in the overall context of ' Freedom and Liberty for oneself and for all everywhere,' to that measure we may have a significant assurance regarding our future. On Dec 6, 8:04 am, dj <[email protected]> wrote: > I think this that knowing the great responsible actions of safety > should have been kept in mind at all times in each one of these > Company's---yes it could have been prevented but it was not and the > after math was great---So I wonder in each one of the Company's what > was change and done and for the damage --what was done--I know > chemical plants and worked under very dangerous settings--I was > responsible for the safety of others as they worked--we had one leak > and took the right actions ---we study and took test and drilled for > this very thing that happen--A leak of synid---We had a whole company > just for safey for these plants---There has been other things that > happened----Solution and answers when something like this happens -- > hope it does not happen again--and there is nothing you can do to > bring back the ones that died---If these Company's do not put Safety > first and spend the money for this --and screen the people that they > hire---and put money into this also---There are some Company's that do > not do this---There is less now because of the Laws have gotten harder > and are watch closer and goverment has allowed more money to go into > in-forceing the safety laws...what I do not like still to this day > they still allow enviroment damage..I say -0- enviromet damage. > > On Dec 5, 7:30 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > " Freedom and liberty are all but an illusion based upon conformity to > > the powers that be." > > > I find freedom is my nature. It is only tempered by my love for the > > freedom of others. > > > That 's after I regained myself and meticulously gave up all else, > > including what other people think and believe. > > > The Bhopal tragedy is about how we feel, think and behave when we are > > preoccupied with our worth reflecting off how others feel and think > > about us, off our social and corporate status, our properties, bank > > balance, off how the life we lead and the things we consume compare > > with advertised symbols and stereotypes. > > > The aspect I refer to is particularly obvious in how people behaved > > AFTER the accident occured. What they did ( rather, did not ) however > > was carried from before, in their value system, which again is > > immediately rooted in our failure to de - identify with imagined > > finite personalities we believe to be real, in our failure to find our > > peace in our mind, and be at peace with all there is in the universe. > > > In truth, this world needs no help. We just have to stop harming it. > > > Clearly, people who do the most harm are learned and ( often, > > impeccably ) educated, well approved by the society, legally abiding, > > politically welcomed, medically fit, psychologically sound, very > > schooled in science and arts, smart and adept at logic and rational > > thinking ... frequently, iconic to large, very large number of > > aspirants driven to step up and seize our future. > > > The question is : What is the anti - dote ? What should we do today, > > to depart a little more assured regarding the future ... in terms of > > people doing less harm to the world, the environment, to other people, > > women and children, animals ... really, there is nothing to > > exclude ... in view of the likely fact that more of the same would > > change nothing, if not worsen matters ? > > > I am aware some individuals feel challenged, even confronted, because > > I suggest from experience that which works ... there, in the first > > two lines of this post. The contentious part is that I see having more > > of the same politics, science, economics, society, justice, medicine, > > psychology, arts, logic, rational thinking, celebrity hood ... as > > fundamentally futile, in this absence of something very basic that > > would render all of the above disciplines useful, good, beneficial, > > least harmful. > > > Between us, it's the only thing that matters. > > > On Dec 5, 3:01 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Being an activist is good for the individual and for those directly > > > affected by the motive. However, for sure in the end no great change > > > can take place without activism on a grand scale, the meeting of the > > > minds, idealism in the pluralistic sense. From Green Peace to Mother > > > Teresa we can see that things really still remain the same and unless > > > there exists a global mindset concerning any and all crucial issues, > > > we'll continue to ride the carousel of social complacency. Scream too > > > loud and your brakes will suddenly cease to function while your > > > crossing an expansion bridge, your car will plummet into the depths of > > > the sea rendering it unavailable for inspection to expose foul play. > > > If you just scream a little you'll wake up to authorities ransacking > > > your digs to uncover the planted controlled substances that will put > > > you in a little cage for the next 20 years where you can scream all > > > you want about the indignities of such confinements. Freedom and > > > liberty are all but an illusion based upon conformity to the powers > > > that be. These corporate entities knew decades ago that survival was > > > ultimately dependent upon gaining significant control of the governing > > > body, wherever they needed to conduct their business. Money talks and > > > men mumble and so corruption is bought and paid for at the expense of > > > innocent lives. It's the Bhopal stories retold a million times with > > > different titles but with the same underlying theme. The sun tanned > > > ceo basking in the carribean sun on the deck of his yacht cares little > > > about the fallout from his chemical plant. > > > > On Dec 5, 1:18 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > This all is some of why I no longer just ideate about such things. > > > > After decades of over idealism with all of its associated planning to > > > > someday do something to improve things, I’ve become more of an > > > > activist. On the one hand this appears to be a far cry from the > > > > metaphysical acceptance of things as they are however; with the help > > > > of the mirrors here, manifesting idealism IS the way through the false > > > > being of over idealism. Thank you all! > > > > > On Dec 4, 6:22 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Sweeping things under carpets is a panacea for all ills resulting from > > > > > corporate irresponsibility. Passing the buck maneuvers cloud the real > > > > > issues and distract the public view from the tragedy, steering them > > > > > into a mode of "let's see what happens". The delay tactic allows > > > > > sufficient time to lapse in order for people to get engrossed in their > > > > > everyday lives, which of course takes precedence over other matters, > > > > > rendering the suffering and pain of people on the other side of the > > > > > planet a distant memory. As a result of that there is no longer > > > > > public outrage. > > > > > > Let's face it, the fact is that most of us didn't really think about > > > > > Bhopal until the 25th anniversary reared it's ugly head. > > > > > > On Dec 4, 4:34 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > The BBC did a thing on Bhopal business last night with hardly any > > > > > > reference to the disaster, showing how trinket-making and tourism > > > > > > will > > > > > > rescue the economy along with a scientific training institute. What > > > > > > jerks we are. > > > > > > > On 4 Dec, 19:13, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > It is interesting to note that your last example was of a company > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > introduced Delysid back in 1947. > > > > > > > > On Dec 4, 6:48 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Humanity has a great talent of ignoring collateral damage. The > > > > > > > > governmental body, the one without a spine, is so lobbied with > > > > > > > > hand > > > > > > > > grease that establishing culpability for the albatross is on a > > > > > > > > double > > > > > > > > back burner. The whole of it wreaks a stench of corporate and > > > > > > > > government bedfellows without conscience. But then of course > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > there is a natural disaster they're all clamoring for attention > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > global spotlight with so called humanitarian aid. This is > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > because it isn't a natural disaster and the call of the day is > > > > > > > > "It's > > > > > > > > not my mess". I don't know about the never again slogan, after > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > there have been numerous other similar, not as devastating, > > > > > > > > disasters. > > > > > > > > > TOULOUSE, FRANCE - September 21, 2001 > > > > > > > > Around 300 tonnes of ammonium nitrate (AN) exploded, destroying > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > site and wrecking buildings 3km (1 mile) away in the city > > > > > > > > center. > > > > > > > > The blast left a crater 50m (164 feet) wide and 10m deep. It was > > > > > > > > responsible for the death of 30 people, and 10,000 injuries. > > > > > > > > > TEXAS CITY, TEXAS, US - March 23, 2005 > > > > > > > > The 2005 disaster at UK oil major BP's Texas City refinery, in > > > > > > > > Texas, > > > > > > > > US, was considered the nation's worst industrial disaster in 15 > > > > > > > > years. > > > > > > > > > SCHWEIZERHALLE, SWITZERLAND - November 1, 1986 > > > > > > > > Water used to extinguish a major fire at the Sandoz chemical > > > > > > > > factory > > > > > > > > in 1986 washed chemicals into the river Rhine, one of Europe's > > > > > > > > busiest > > > > > > > > waterways. The spill caused severe pollution, which took years > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > eradicate, and killed an estimated 500,000 fish. > > > > > > > > > Even the Fish have to suffer the consequences. > > > > > > > > > On Dec 3, 9:31 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >http://www.democracynow.org/2009/12/3/25_years_after_bhopal_disaster_... > > > > > > > > > > Just one example showing how embracing the pious dogma of the > > > > > > > > > bottom > > > > > > > > > line can effect humanity…more human suffering and death than > > > > > > > > > 9/11. > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
