"Agreed, it all leads somewhere, but hardly." Hardly itself sounds like a value judgment, although words themselves here may be hard to find. That road that leads us to the understanding, clear and constant, is paved only with our own limitations, numbered by our ability to understand the unlimited. Short or long, we participate on the road so that we can feel both the infinite and the finite in our experience. As I read your words I am swept away with your understanding on the infinite and the clarity of your vision, and am infinitely grateful that your words and presence are part of the kaleidoscope of yap yapping and essential understanding that is both my direct and greater experience.
On Dec 8, 2:21 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > " When the understanding is clear and constant ... " > > Which is the whole method. And, we can do it only in our mind, > individually, before having any worthwhile expectations in terms of > cooperative and ethical behaviour in our societies, politics, > economics, law, administration ... the best of which would be sympton > focussed and post - facto. > > It takes a transforming experience, to so awaken into this > understanding forever, clear and constant, to this memory ' organ ' > that automatically precludes all these seeming values which conflicts > with or comes contrary to it ... the age - old god and devil > metaphor. > > In its absence, the failures and destruction will just ' happen ' > and we will continue with our post - mortem activities, our whines and > laments, our fear found yap yapping, mounds of labyrinthine research > and rationalisations, and this sea of money chasing print and audio - > visuals we are forever submerged in ! > > Agreed, it all leads somewhere, but hardly. > > On Dec 7, 10:51 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Yeah, that does seem to be an extra, needless or even impossible > > burden ... to be concentrated on other people's freedom and liberty. > > > That one is concentrated on one's own is readily understood, as being > > most desirable and important. What we still need to understand that we > > do do truly understand our own freedom without concommitantly having > > this understanding and love for the freedom of others. In absence of > > the latter clarity, one could be pursuing anything except freedom in > > truth, perhaps a disease as I see it. > > > Our limits to doing is no barrier to our understanding, in truth. I > > might not be able, left with anything or be able to spare enough of > > myself, to do anything meaningful or significant in the cause of > > freedom of others ; that, however, does not lessen in the least my > > clear understanding that other individuals are the same as me, have > > the same need and nature, that my freedom and those of all I regard as > > ' mine ' is contingent upon all others awakening into this same > > freedom, in their respective nature. It needs nothing ... not science, > > education, smart thinking, money, status, celebrityhood ... for one to > > step up and say as much, to restore this freedom in the mind ( and > > heart ) of each person we communicate to, live with, relate to, or > > interact with. > > > This becomes clear when the freedom I speak of is understood to rest > > in our realisation. It demands the freedom to work at being free from > > fear, from basic needs, being free to choose and pursue happiness. > > > When the understanding is clear and constant, we not only come to act > > in its light but seldom fail to do so. > > > On Dec 7, 6:36 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > You mean power 'over' the external, when the external has no bearing > > > on the intrinsic freedom. I don't think that the external is a > > > reflection of the internal unless you are considering that as being a > > > reflection of the internal "whole", in the collective sense. I would > > > agree with Vam that freedom is my nature but I drop off in the > > > worrying about others freedom which essentially lies within their own > > > ability to understand freedom as being intrinsic. > > > > On Dec 6, 7:58 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I agree, Vam, that freedom is intrinsic, and conformity to perceived > > > > external powers may be a distraction from the fact that everything > > > > external is a reflection of the internal. The word "conformity" > > > > implies not only separation between the two, but an emphasis of > > > > "power" on the external. Freedom cannot be discovered there. > > > > > On Dec 5, 10:30 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > " Freedom and liberty are all but an illusion based upon conformity to > > > > > the powers that be." > > > > > > I find freedom is my nature. It is only tempered by my love for the > > > > > freedom of others. > > > > > > That 's after I regained myself and meticulously gave up all else, > > > > > including what other people think and believe. > > > > > > The Bhopal tragedy is about how we feel, think and behave when we are > > > > > preoccupied with our worth reflecting off how others feel and think > > > > > about us, off our social and corporate status, our properties, bank > > > > > balance, off how the life we lead and the things we consume compare > > > > > with advertised symbols and stereotypes. > > > > > > The aspect I refer to is particularly obvious in how people behaved > > > > > AFTER the accident occured. What they did ( rather, did not ) however > > > > > was carried from before, in their value system, which again is > > > > > immediately rooted in our failure to de - identify with imagined > > > > > finite personalities we believe to be real, in our failure to find our > > > > > peace in our mind, and be at peace with all there is in the universe. > > > > > > In truth, this world needs no help. We just have to stop harming it. > > > > > > Clearly, people who do the most harm are learned and ( often, > > > > > impeccably ) educated, well approved by the society, legally abiding, > > > > > politically welcomed, medically fit, psychologically sound, very > > > > > schooled in science and arts, smart and adept at logic and rational > > > > > thinking ... frequently, iconic to large, very large number of > > > > > aspirants driven to step up and seize our future. > > > > > > The question is : What is the anti - dote ? What should we do today, > > > > > to depart a little more assured regarding the future ... in terms of > > > > > people doing less harm to the world, the environment, to other people, > > > > > women and children, animals ... really, there is nothing to > > > > > exclude ... in view of the likely fact that more of the same would > > > > > change nothing, if not worsen matters ? > > > > > > I am aware some individuals feel challenged, even confronted, because > > > > > I suggest from experience that which works ... there, in the first > > > > > two lines of this post. The contentious part is that I see having more > > > > > of the same politics, science, economics, society, justice, medicine, > > > > > psychology, arts, logic, rational thinking, celebrity hood ... as > > > > > fundamentally futile, in this absence of something very basic that > > > > > would render all of the above disciplines useful, good, beneficial, > > > > > least harmful. > > > > > > Between us, it's the only thing that matters. > > > > > > On Dec 5, 3:01 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Being an activist is good for the individual and for those directly > > > > > > affected by the motive. However, for sure in the end no great change > > > > > > can take place without activism on a grand scale, the meeting of the > > > > > > minds, idealism in the pluralistic sense. From Green Peace to Mother > > > > > > Teresa we can see that things really still remain the same and > > > > > > unless > > > > > > there exists a global mindset concerning any and all crucial issues, > > > > > > we'll continue to ride the carousel of social complacency. Scream > > > > > > too > > > > > > loud and your brakes will suddenly cease to function while your > > > > > > crossing an expansion bridge, your car will plummet into the depths > > > > > > of > > > > > > the sea rendering it unavailable for inspection to expose foul play. > > > > > > If you just scream a little you'll wake up to authorities ransacking > > > > > > your digs to uncover the planted controlled substances that will put > > > > > > you in a little cage for the next 20 years where you can scream all > > > > > > you want about the indignities of such confinements. Freedom and > > > > > > liberty are all but an illusion based upon conformity to the powers > > > > > > that be. These corporate entities knew decades ago that survival > > > > > > was > > > > > > ultimately dependent upon gaining significant control of the > > > > > > governing > > > > > > body, wherever they needed to conduct their business. Money talks > > > > > > and > > > > > > men mumble and so corruption is bought and paid for at the expense > > > > > > of > > > > > > innocent lives. It's the Bhopal stories retold a million times with > > > > > > different titles but with the same underlying theme. The sun tanned > > > > > > ceo basking in the carribean sun on the deck of his yacht cares > > > > > > little > > > > > > about the fallout from his chemical plant. > > > > > > > On Dec 5, 1:18 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > This all is some of why I no longer just ideate about such things. > > > > > > > After decades of over idealism with all of its associated > > > > > > > planning to > > > > > > > someday do something to improve things, I’ve become more of an > > > > > > > activist. On the one hand this appears to be a far cry from the > > > > > > > metaphysical acceptance of things as they are however; with the > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > of the mirrors here, manifesting idealism IS the way through the > > > > > > > false > > > > > > > being of over idealism. Thank you all! > > > > > > > > On Dec 4, 6:22 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Sweeping things under carpets is a panacea for all ills > > > > > > > > resulting from > > > > > > > > corporate irresponsibility. Passing the buck maneuvers cloud > > > > > > > > the real > > > > > > > > issues and distract the public view from the tragedy, steering > > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > into a mode of "let's see what happens". The delay tactic > > > > > > > > allows > > > > > > > > sufficient time to lapse in order for people to get engrossed > > > > > > > > in their > > > > > > > > everyday lives, which of course takes precedence over other > > > > > > > > matters, > > > > > > > > rendering the suffering and pain of people on the other side of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > planet a distant memory. As a result of that there is no longer > > > > > > > > public outrage. > > > > > > > > > Let's face it, the fact is that most of us didn't really think > > > > > > > > about > > ... > > read more » -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
