Freedom is sometimes a one person Army..when all the soliders drop out On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
> You mean power 'over' the external, when the external has no bearing > on the intrinsic freedom. I don't think that the external is a > reflection of the internal unless you are considering that as being a > reflection of the internal "whole", in the collective sense. I would > agree with Vam that freedom is my nature but I drop off in the > worrying about others freedom which essentially lies within their own > ability to understand freedom as being intrinsic. > > On Dec 6, 7:58 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > I agree, Vam, that freedom is intrinsic, and conformity to perceived > > external powers may be a distraction from the fact that everything > > external is a reflection of the internal. The word "conformity" > > implies not only separation between the two, but an emphasis of > > "power" on the external. Freedom cannot be discovered there. > > > > On Dec 5, 10:30 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > " Freedom and liberty are all but an illusion based upon conformity to > > > the powers that be." > > > > > I find freedom is my nature. It is only tempered by my love for the > > > freedom of others. > > > > > That 's after I regained myself and meticulously gave up all else, > > > including what other people think and believe. > > > > > The Bhopal tragedy is about how we feel, think and behave when we are > > > preoccupied with our worth reflecting off how others feel and think > > > about us, off our social and corporate status, our properties, bank > > > balance, off how the life we lead and the things we consume compare > > > with advertised symbols and stereotypes. > > > > > The aspect I refer to is particularly obvious in how people behaved > > > AFTER the accident occured. What they did ( rather, did not ) however > > > was carried from before, in their value system, which again is > > > immediately rooted in our failure to de - identify with imagined > > > finite personalities we believe to be real, in our failure to find our > > > peace in our mind, and be at peace with all there is in the universe. > > > > > In truth, this world needs no help. We just have to stop harming it. > > > > > Clearly, people who do the most harm are learned and ( often, > > > impeccably ) educated, well approved by the society, legally abiding, > > > politically welcomed, medically fit, psychologically sound, very > > > schooled in science and arts, smart and adept at logic and rational > > > thinking ... frequently, iconic to large, very large number of > > > aspirants driven to step up and seize our future. > > > > > The question is : What is the anti - dote ? What should we do today, > > > to depart a little more assured regarding the future ... in terms of > > > people doing less harm to the world, the environment, to other people, > > > women and children, animals ... really, there is nothing to > > > exclude ... in view of the likely fact that more of the same would > > > change nothing, if not worsen matters ? > > > > > I am aware some individuals feel challenged, even confronted, because > > > I suggest from experience that which works ... there, in the first > > > two lines of this post. The contentious part is that I see having more > > > of the same politics, science, economics, society, justice, medicine, > > > psychology, arts, logic, rational thinking, celebrity hood ... as > > > fundamentally futile, in this absence of something very basic that > > > would render all of the above disciplines useful, good, beneficial, > > > least harmful. > > > > > Between us, it's the only thing that matters. > > > > > On Dec 5, 3:01 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Being an activist is good for the individual and for those directly > > > > affected by the motive. However, for sure in the end no great change > > > > can take place without activism on a grand scale, the meeting of the > > > > minds, idealism in the pluralistic sense. From Green Peace to Mother > > > > Teresa we can see that things really still remain the same and unless > > > > there exists a global mindset concerning any and all crucial issues, > > > > we'll continue to ride the carousel of social complacency. Scream > too > > > > loud and your brakes will suddenly cease to function while your > > > > crossing an expansion bridge, your car will plummet into the depths > of > > > > the sea rendering it unavailable for inspection to expose foul play. > > > > If you just scream a little you'll wake up to authorities ransacking > > > > your digs to uncover the planted controlled substances that will put > > > > you in a little cage for the next 20 years where you can scream all > > > > you want about the indignities of such confinements. Freedom and > > > > liberty are all but an illusion based upon conformity to the powers > > > > that be. These corporate entities knew decades ago that survival was > > > > ultimately dependent upon gaining significant control of the > governing > > > > body, wherever they needed to conduct their business. Money talks > and > > > > men mumble and so corruption is bought and paid for at the expense of > > > > innocent lives. It's the Bhopal stories retold a million times with > > > > different titles but with the same underlying theme. The sun tanned > > > > ceo basking in the carribean sun on the deck of his yacht cares > little > > > > about the fallout from his chemical plant. > > > > > > On Dec 5, 1:18 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > This all is some of why I no longer just ideate about such things. > > > > > After decades of over idealism with all of its associated planning > to > > > > > someday do something to improve things, I’ve become more of an > > > > > activist. On the one hand this appears to be a far cry from the > > > > > metaphysical acceptance of things as they are however; with the > help > > > > > of the mirrors here, manifesting idealism IS the way through the > false > > > > > being of over idealism. Thank you all! > > > > > > > On Dec 4, 6:22 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sweeping things under carpets is a panacea for all ills resulting > from > > > > > > corporate irresponsibility. Passing the buck maneuvers cloud the > real > > > > > > issues and distract the public view from the tragedy, steering > them > > > > > > into a mode of "let's see what happens". The delay tactic allows > > > > > > sufficient time to lapse in order for people to get engrossed in > their > > > > > > everyday lives, which of course takes precedence over other > matters, > > > > > > rendering the suffering and pain of people on the other side of > the > > > > > > planet a distant memory. As a result of that there is no longer > > > > > > public outrage. > > > > > > > > Let's face it, the fact is that most of us didn't really think > about > > > > > > Bhopal until the 25th anniversary reared it's ugly head. > > > > > > > > On Dec 4, 4:34 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > The BBC did a thing on Bhopal business last night with hardly > any > > > > > > > reference to the disaster, showing how trinket-making and > tourism will > > > > > > > rescue the economy along with a scientific training institute. > What > > > > > > > jerks we are. > > > > > > > > > On 4 Dec, 19:13, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It is interesting to note that your last example was of a > company that > > > > > > > > introduced Delysid back in 1947. > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 4, 6:48 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Humanity has a great talent of ignoring collateral damage. > The > > > > > > > > > governmental body, the one without a spine, is so lobbied > with hand > > > > > > > > > grease that establishing culpability for the albatross is > on a double > > > > > > > > > back burner. The whole of it wreaks a stench of corporate > and > > > > > > > > > government bedfellows without conscience. But then of > course when > > > > > > > > > there is a natural disaster they're all clamoring for > attention in the > > > > > > > > > global spotlight with so called humanitarian aid. This is > different > > > > > > > > > because it isn't a natural disaster and the call of the day > is "It's > > > > > > > > > not my mess". I don't know about the never again slogan, > after all > > > > > > > > > there have been numerous other similar, not as devastating, > > > > > > > > > disasters. > > > > > > > > > > > TOULOUSE, FRANCE - September 21, 2001 > > > > > > > > > Around 300 tonnes of ammonium nitrate (AN) exploded, > destroying the > > > > > > > > > site and wrecking buildings 3km (1 mile) away in the city > center. > > > > > > > > > The blast left a crater 50m (164 feet) wide and 10m deep. > It was > > > > > > > > > responsible for the death of 30 people, and 10,000 > injuries. > > > > > > > > > > > TEXAS CITY, TEXAS, US - March 23, 2005 > > > > > > > > > The 2005 disaster at UK oil major BP's Texas City refinery, > in Texas, > > > > > > > > > US, was considered the nation's worst industrial disaster > in 15 years. > > > > > > > > > > > SCHWEIZERHALLE, SWITZERLAND - November 1, 1986 > > > > > > > > > Water used to extinguish a major fire at the Sandoz > chemical factory > > > > > > > > > in 1986 washed chemicals into the river Rhine, one of > Europe's busiest > > > > > > > > > waterways. The spill caused severe pollution, which took > years to > > > > > > > > > eradicate, and killed an estimated 500,000 fish. > > > > > > > > > > > Even the Fish have to suffer the consequences. > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 3, 9:31 am, ornamentalmind < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.democracynow.org/2009/12/3/25_years_after_bhopal_disaster_... > > > > > > > > > > > > Just one example showing how embracing the pious dogma of > the bottom > > > > > > > > > > line can effect humanity…more human suffering and death > than 9/11. > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it too late to say ‘never again’?- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<minds-eye%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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