I would like to add on to something you said the awareness of your on life I have had awareness of my own life every second and every movement except the fact of naive that everybody had good and saw it this way for many years and always in the concept nothing was impossible..I rather sit in a tent on a lake or a river then to sit in the mist of divisions and people not getting it right. Which I mean a order about things between relationships and I do believe in some what of authority of kindness..I so therefore look at sometimes as a rebel and sometimes as what is that word stupid. I am far from a rebel . But I have fought for causes of freedom and things that are fair and just ..No you cannot do nothing I geuss if you do not know the whole picture to help set some free if it is just the knowlege of what you offer is of guideance...The key word I think is (guideance) is what some need in stages of their lives..and circumstances..
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 4:32 PM, dj Briscoe <[email protected]>wrote: > Well I remenber those hippie days and that was a true cause where they > faultered was to many drugs and free love uhmm we shall say of they body..It > was a good cause and the freedom was good but abused..I say we have a circle > to keep it and cheerish it..I like the song > > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Yes, much said with which we are in accord and it does bring me back >> to a brush I had with Lee not long ago about having to be overly >> concerned with the welfare of others in distress when I stood fast >> with the idea that there was nothing I could do about it other than to >> recognize it and move on. If freedom is my nature and my realization >> of it is intrinsic then all else must reach the same level of >> understanding before they can experience the same freedom, I can't >> give it to them as much as I yearn for all people to have freedom. It >> is an individual experience derived from our own mental capacity to >> understand and initiate it. Much of this stems from my belief in >> soul levels and previous life experiences wherein those that are >> relatively new beings just don't have the where with all to understand >> such concepts of freedom. Instead they are groping about the mundane >> realm trying to find what exists elsewhere. Therefore I've always >> stated that I don't engage the external nor take part in much of it, >> the societies, politics and all the rest are not part of my world and >> it won't change no matter how much people think it will and when it >> appears that it has changed shortly after it regresses back. I think >> society is in a regression stage right now and possibly for the last 3 >> decades, we've lost much of what had been gained. Perhaps in another >> 10,000 years we may have it right but I won't know unless I'm living >> in those times and have awareness of my current life, chances are slim >> that we can find that exact identity with out past life histories. >> Based on my own personal experiences I'm sure that there is more to >> this life than just the experience of being here now. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4fWN6VvgKQ >> >> >> >> On Dec 8, 1:21 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: >> > " When the understanding is clear and constant ... " >> > >> > Which is the whole method. And, we can do it only in our mind, >> > individually, before having any worthwhile expectations in terms of >> > cooperative and ethical behaviour in our societies, politics, >> > economics, law, administration ... the best of which would be sympton >> > focussed and post - facto. >> > >> > It takes a transforming experience, to so awaken into this >> > understanding forever, clear and constant, to this memory ' organ ' >> > that automatically precludes all these seeming values which conflicts >> > with or comes contrary to it ... the age - old god and devil >> > metaphor. >> > >> > In its absence, the failures and destruction will just ' happen ' >> > and we will continue with our post - mortem activities, our whines and >> > laments, our fear found yap yapping, mounds of labyrinthine research >> > and rationalisations, and this sea of money chasing print and audio - >> > visuals we are forever submerged in ! >> > >> > Agreed, it all leads somewhere, but hardly. >> > >> > On Dec 7, 10:51 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > Yeah, that does seem to be an extra, needless or even impossible >> > > burden ... to be concentrated on other people's freedom and liberty. >> > >> > > That one is concentrated on one's own is readily understood, as being >> > > most desirable and important. What we still need to understand that we >> > > do do truly understand our own freedom without concommitantly having >> > > this understanding and love for the freedom of others. In absence of >> > > the latter clarity, one could be pursuing anything except freedom in >> > > truth, perhaps a disease as I see it. >> > >> > > Our limits to doing is no barrier to our understanding, in truth. I >> > > might not be able, left with anything or be able to spare enough of >> > > myself, to do anything meaningful or significant in the cause of >> > > freedom of others ; that, however, does not lessen in the least my >> > > clear understanding that other individuals are the same as me, have >> > > the same need and nature, that my freedom and those of all I regard as >> > > ' mine ' is contingent upon all others awakening into this same >> > > freedom, in their respective nature. It needs nothing ... not science, >> > > education, smart thinking, money, status, celebrityhood ... for one to >> > > step up and say as much, to restore this freedom in the mind ( and >> > > heart ) of each person we communicate to, live with, relate to, or >> > > interact with. >> > >> > > This becomes clear when the freedom I speak of is understood to rest >> > > in our realisation. It demands the freedom to work at being free from >> > > fear, from basic needs, being free to choose and pursue happiness. >> > >> > > When the understanding is clear and constant, we not only come to act >> > > in its light but seldom fail to do so. >> > >> > > On Dec 7, 6:36 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > You mean power 'over' the external, when the external has no bearing >> > > > on the intrinsic freedom. I don't think that the external is a >> > > > reflection of the internal unless you are considering that as being >> a >> > > > reflection of the internal "whole", in the collective sense. I would >> > > > agree with Vam that freedom is my nature but I drop off in the >> > > > worrying about others freedom which essentially lies within their >> own >> > > > ability to understand freedom as being intrinsic. >> > >> > > > On Dec 6, 7:58 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > > I agree, Vam, that freedom is intrinsic, and conformity to >> perceived >> > > > > external powers may be a distraction from the fact that everything >> > > > > external is a reflection of the internal. The word "conformity" >> > > > > implies not only separation between the two, but an emphasis of >> > > > > "power" on the external. Freedom cannot be discovered there. >> > >> > > > > On Dec 5, 10:30 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > > > " Freedom and liberty are all but an illusion based upon >> conformity to >> > > > > > the powers that be." >> > >> > > > > > I find freedom is my nature. It is only tempered by my love for >> the >> > > > > > freedom of others. >> > >> > > > > > That 's after I regained myself and meticulously gave up all >> else, >> > > > > > including what other people think and believe. >> > >> > > > > > The Bhopal tragedy is about how we feel, think and behave when >> we are >> > > > > > preoccupied with our worth reflecting off how others feel and >> think >> > > > > > about us, off our social and corporate status, our properties, >> bank >> > > > > > balance, off how the life we lead and the things we consume >> compare >> > > > > > with advertised symbols and stereotypes. >> > >> > > > > > The aspect I refer to is particularly obvious in how people >> behaved >> > > > > > AFTER the accident occured. What they did ( rather, did not ) >> however >> > > > > > was carried from before, in their value system, which again is >> > > > > > immediately rooted in our failure to de - identify with imagined >> > > > > > finite personalities we believe to be real, in our failure to >> find our >> > > > > > peace in our mind, and be at peace with all there is in the >> universe. >> > >> > > > > > In truth, this world needs no help. We just have to stop harming >> it. >> > >> > > > > > Clearly, people who do the most harm are learned and ( often, >> > > > > > impeccably ) educated, well approved by the society, legally >> abiding, >> > > > > > politically welcomed, medically fit, psychologically sound, very >> > > > > > schooled in science and arts, smart and adept at logic and >> rational >> > > > > > thinking ... frequently, iconic to large, very large number of >> > > > > > aspirants driven to step up and seize our future. >> > >> > > > > > The question is : What is the anti - dote ? What should we do >> today, >> > > > > > to depart a little more assured regarding the future ... in >> terms of >> > > > > > people doing less harm to the world, the environment, to other >> people, >> > > > > > women and children, animals ... really, there is nothing to >> > > > > > exclude ... in view of the likely fact that more of the same >> would >> > > > > > change nothing, if not worsen matters ? >> > >> > > > > > I am aware some individuals feel challenged, even confronted, >> because >> > > > > > I suggest from experience that which works ... there, in the >> first >> > > > > > two lines of this post. The contentious part is that I see >> having more >> > > > > > of the same politics, science, economics, society, justice, >> medicine, >> > > > > > psychology, arts, logic, rational thinking, celebrity hood ... >> as >> > > > > > fundamentally futile, in this absence of something very basic >> that >> > > > > > would render all of the above disciplines useful, good, >> beneficial, >> > > > > > least harmful. >> > >> > > > > > Between us, it's the only thing that matters. >> > >> > > > > > On Dec 5, 3:01 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > Being an activist is good for the individual and for those >> directly >> > > > > > > affected by the motive. However, for sure in the end no great >> change >> > > > > > > can take place without activism on a grand scale, the meeting >> of the >> > > > > > > minds, idealism in the pluralistic sense. From Green Peace to >> Mother >> > > > > > > Teresa we can see that things really still remain the same and >> unless >> > > > > > > there exists a global mindset concerning any and all crucial >> issues, >> > > > > > > we'll continue to ride the carousel of social complacency. >> Scream too >> > > > > > > loud and your brakes will suddenly cease to function while >> your >> > > > > > > crossing an expansion bridge, your car will plummet into the >> depths of >> > > > > > > the sea rendering it unavailable for inspection to expose foul >> play. >> > > > > > > If you just scream a little you'll wake up to authorities >> ransacking >> > > > > > > your digs to uncover the planted controlled substances that >> will put >> > > > > > > you in a little cage for the next 20 years where you can >> scream all >> > > > > > > you want about the indignities of such confinements. Freedom >> and >> > > > > > > liberty are all but an illusion based upon conformity to the >> powers >> > > > > > > that be. These corporate entities knew decades ago that >> survival was >> > > > > > > ultimately dependent upon gaining significant control of the >> governing >> > > > > > > body, wherever they needed to conduct their business. Money >> talks and >> > > > > > > men mumble and so corruption is bought and paid for at the >> expense of >> > > > > > > innocent lives. It's the Bhopal stories retold a million >> times with >> > > > > > > different titles but with the same underlying theme. The sun >> tanned >> > > > > > > ceo basking in the carribean sun on the deck of his yacht >> cares little >> > > > > > > about the fallout from his chemical plant. >> > >> > > > > > > On Dec 5, 1:18 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > This all is some of why I no longer just ideate about such >> things. >> > > > > > > > After decades of over idealism with all of its associated >> planning to >> > > > > > > > someday do something to improve things, I’ve become more of >> an >> > > > > > > > activist. On the one hand this appears to be a far cry from >> the >> > > > > > > > metaphysical acceptance of things as they are however; with >> the help >> > > > > > > > of the mirrors here, manifesting idealism IS the way through >> the false >> > > > > > > > being of over idealism. Thank you all! >> > >> > > > > > > > On Dec 4, 6:22 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > > Sweeping things under carpets is a panacea for all ills >> resulting from >> > > > > > > > > corporate irresponsibility. Passing the buck maneuvers >> cloud the real >> > > > > > > > > issues and distract the public view from the tragedy, >> steering them >> > > > > > > > > into a mode of "let's see what happens". The delay tactic >> allows >> > > > > > > > > sufficient time to lapse in order for people to get >> engrossed in their >> > > > > > > > > everyday lives, which of course takes precedence over >> other matters, >> > > > > > > > > rendering the suffering and pain of people on the other >> side of the >> > > > > > > > > planet a distant memory. As a result of that there is no >> longer >> > > > > > > > > public outrage. >> > >> > > > > > > > > Let's face it, the fact is that most of us didn't really >> think about >> > >> > ... >> > >> > read more » >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> ""Minds Eye"" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]<minds-eye%[email protected]> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. >> >> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
