Well I remenber those hippie days and that was a true cause where they faultered was to many drugs and free love uhmm we shall say of they body..It was a good cause and the freedom was good but abused..I say we have a circle to keep it and cheerish it..I like the song
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes, much said with which we are in accord and it does bring me back > to a brush I had with Lee not long ago about having to be overly > concerned with the welfare of others in distress when I stood fast > with the idea that there was nothing I could do about it other than to > recognize it and move on. If freedom is my nature and my realization > of it is intrinsic then all else must reach the same level of > understanding before they can experience the same freedom, I can't > give it to them as much as I yearn for all people to have freedom. It > is an individual experience derived from our own mental capacity to > understand and initiate it. Much of this stems from my belief in > soul levels and previous life experiences wherein those that are > relatively new beings just don't have the where with all to understand > such concepts of freedom. Instead they are groping about the mundane > realm trying to find what exists elsewhere. Therefore I've always > stated that I don't engage the external nor take part in much of it, > the societies, politics and all the rest are not part of my world and > it won't change no matter how much people think it will and when it > appears that it has changed shortly after it regresses back. I think > society is in a regression stage right now and possibly for the last 3 > decades, we've lost much of what had been gained. Perhaps in another > 10,000 years we may have it right but I won't know unless I'm living > in those times and have awareness of my current life, chances are slim > that we can find that exact identity with out past life histories. > Based on my own personal experiences I'm sure that there is more to > this life than just the experience of being here now. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4fWN6VvgKQ > > > > On Dec 8, 1:21 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > " When the understanding is clear and constant ... " > > > > Which is the whole method. And, we can do it only in our mind, > > individually, before having any worthwhile expectations in terms of > > cooperative and ethical behaviour in our societies, politics, > > economics, law, administration ... the best of which would be sympton > > focussed and post - facto. > > > > It takes a transforming experience, to so awaken into this > > understanding forever, clear and constant, to this memory ' organ ' > > that automatically precludes all these seeming values which conflicts > > with or comes contrary to it ... the age - old god and devil > > metaphor. > > > > In its absence, the failures and destruction will just ' happen ' > > and we will continue with our post - mortem activities, our whines and > > laments, our fear found yap yapping, mounds of labyrinthine research > > and rationalisations, and this sea of money chasing print and audio - > > visuals we are forever submerged in ! > > > > Agreed, it all leads somewhere, but hardly. > > > > On Dec 7, 10:51 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Yeah, that does seem to be an extra, needless or even impossible > > > burden ... to be concentrated on other people's freedom and liberty. > > > > > That one is concentrated on one's own is readily understood, as being > > > most desirable and important. What we still need to understand that we > > > do do truly understand our own freedom without concommitantly having > > > this understanding and love for the freedom of others. In absence of > > > the latter clarity, one could be pursuing anything except freedom in > > > truth, perhaps a disease as I see it. > > > > > Our limits to doing is no barrier to our understanding, in truth. I > > > might not be able, left with anything or be able to spare enough of > > > myself, to do anything meaningful or significant in the cause of > > > freedom of others ; that, however, does not lessen in the least my > > > clear understanding that other individuals are the same as me, have > > > the same need and nature, that my freedom and those of all I regard as > > > ' mine ' is contingent upon all others awakening into this same > > > freedom, in their respective nature. It needs nothing ... not science, > > > education, smart thinking, money, status, celebrityhood ... for one to > > > step up and say as much, to restore this freedom in the mind ( and > > > heart ) of each person we communicate to, live with, relate to, or > > > interact with. > > > > > This becomes clear when the freedom I speak of is understood to rest > > > in our realisation. It demands the freedom to work at being free from > > > fear, from basic needs, being free to choose and pursue happiness. > > > > > When the understanding is clear and constant, we not only come to act > > > in its light but seldom fail to do so. > > > > > On Dec 7, 6:36 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > You mean power 'over' the external, when the external has no bearing > > > > on the intrinsic freedom. I don't think that the external is a > > > > reflection of the internal unless you are considering that as being a > > > > reflection of the internal "whole", in the collective sense. I would > > > > agree with Vam that freedom is my nature but I drop off in the > > > > worrying about others freedom which essentially lies within their own > > > > ability to understand freedom as being intrinsic. > > > > > > On Dec 6, 7:58 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I agree, Vam, that freedom is intrinsic, and conformity to > perceived > > > > > external powers may be a distraction from the fact that everything > > > > > external is a reflection of the internal. The word "conformity" > > > > > implies not only separation between the two, but an emphasis of > > > > > "power" on the external. Freedom cannot be discovered there. > > > > > > > On Dec 5, 10:30 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > " Freedom and liberty are all but an illusion based upon > conformity to > > > > > > the powers that be." > > > > > > > > I find freedom is my nature. It is only tempered by my love for > the > > > > > > freedom of others. > > > > > > > > That 's after I regained myself and meticulously gave up all > else, > > > > > > including what other people think and believe. > > > > > > > > The Bhopal tragedy is about how we feel, think and behave when we > are > > > > > > preoccupied with our worth reflecting off how others feel and > think > > > > > > about us, off our social and corporate status, our properties, > bank > > > > > > balance, off how the life we lead and the things we consume > compare > > > > > > with advertised symbols and stereotypes. > > > > > > > > The aspect I refer to is particularly obvious in how people > behaved > > > > > > AFTER the accident occured. What they did ( rather, did not ) > however > > > > > > was carried from before, in their value system, which again is > > > > > > immediately rooted in our failure to de - identify with imagined > > > > > > finite personalities we believe to be real, in our failure to > find our > > > > > > peace in our mind, and be at peace with all there is in the > universe. > > > > > > > > In truth, this world needs no help. We just have to stop harming > it. > > > > > > > > Clearly, people who do the most harm are learned and ( often, > > > > > > impeccably ) educated, well approved by the society, legally > abiding, > > > > > > politically welcomed, medically fit, psychologically sound, very > > > > > > schooled in science and arts, smart and adept at logic and > rational > > > > > > thinking ... frequently, iconic to large, very large number of > > > > > > aspirants driven to step up and seize our future. > > > > > > > > The question is : What is the anti - dote ? What should we do > today, > > > > > > to depart a little more assured regarding the future ... in > terms of > > > > > > people doing less harm to the world, the environment, to other > people, > > > > > > women and children, animals ... really, there is nothing to > > > > > > exclude ... in view of the likely fact that more of the same > would > > > > > > change nothing, if not worsen matters ? > > > > > > > > I am aware some individuals feel challenged, even confronted, > because > > > > > > I suggest from experience that which works ... there, in the > first > > > > > > two lines of this post. The contentious part is that I see having > more > > > > > > of the same politics, science, economics, society, justice, > medicine, > > > > > > psychology, arts, logic, rational thinking, celebrity hood ... as > > > > > > fundamentally futile, in this absence of something very basic > that > > > > > > would render all of the above disciplines useful, good, > beneficial, > > > > > > least harmful. > > > > > > > > Between us, it's the only thing that matters. > > > > > > > > On Dec 5, 3:01 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Being an activist is good for the individual and for those > directly > > > > > > > affected by the motive. However, for sure in the end no great > change > > > > > > > can take place without activism on a grand scale, the meeting > of the > > > > > > > minds, idealism in the pluralistic sense. From Green Peace to > Mother > > > > > > > Teresa we can see that things really still remain the same and > unless > > > > > > > there exists a global mindset concerning any and all crucial > issues, > > > > > > > we'll continue to ride the carousel of social complacency. > Scream too > > > > > > > loud and your brakes will suddenly cease to function while your > > > > > > > crossing an expansion bridge, your car will plummet into the > depths of > > > > > > > the sea rendering it unavailable for inspection to expose foul > play. > > > > > > > If you just scream a little you'll wake up to authorities > ransacking > > > > > > > your digs to uncover the planted controlled substances that > will put > > > > > > > you in a little cage for the next 20 years where you can scream > all > > > > > > > you want about the indignities of such confinements. Freedom > and > > > > > > > liberty are all but an illusion based upon conformity to the > powers > > > > > > > that be. These corporate entities knew decades ago that > survival was > > > > > > > ultimately dependent upon gaining significant control of the > governing > > > > > > > body, wherever they needed to conduct their business. Money > talks and > > > > > > > men mumble and so corruption is bought and paid for at the > expense of > > > > > > > innocent lives. It's the Bhopal stories retold a million times > with > > > > > > > different titles but with the same underlying theme. The sun > tanned > > > > > > > ceo basking in the carribean sun on the deck of his yacht cares > little > > > > > > > about the fallout from his chemical plant. > > > > > > > > > On Dec 5, 1:18 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > This all is some of why I no longer just ideate about such > things. > > > > > > > > After decades of over idealism with all of its associated > planning to > > > > > > > > someday do something to improve things, I’ve become more of > an > > > > > > > > activist. On the one hand this appears to be a far cry from > the > > > > > > > > metaphysical acceptance of things as they are however; with > the help > > > > > > > > of the mirrors here, manifesting idealism IS the way through > the false > > > > > > > > being of over idealism. Thank you all! > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 4, 6:22 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Sweeping things under carpets is a panacea for all ills > resulting from > > > > > > > > > corporate irresponsibility. Passing the buck maneuvers > cloud the real > > > > > > > > > issues and distract the public view from the tragedy, > steering them > > > > > > > > > into a mode of "let's see what happens". The delay tactic > allows > > > > > > > > > sufficient time to lapse in order for people to get > engrossed in their > > > > > > > > > everyday lives, which of course takes precedence over other > matters, > > > > > > > > > rendering the suffering and pain of people on the other > side of the > > > > > > > > > planet a distant memory. As a result of that there is no > longer > > > > > > > > > public outrage. > > > > > > > > > > > Let's face it, the fact is that most of us didn't really > think about > > > > ... > > > > read more » > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<minds-eye%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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