On 20 Jan, 19:19, Ian Pollard <[email protected]> wrote:
> 2010/1/20 Pat <[email protected]>
>
>
>
> > Not in the Qur'an it's not.
>
> Pat,
>
> In the Qu'ran, Eeman and Kufr are a matter of free will for humanity.
Rather they are a matter of realisation. The Kafir refuses to accept
that the will of Allah rules. Iman is a realisation that the will of
Allah is what governs all. Realisations 'occur' to people, you don't
choose them. Have you never had a thought 'occur' to you? If you
have, what choice did you have IN that occurrance? Try looking into
Qadar/Qadr, i.e., kismet. In the Qur'an, it is clearly stated that
Allah is the Creator of all things. Do you not think that includes
your 'supposed' will?
>On
> that principle, I believe almost all denominations of Muslims *do* agree
> (and I can think of nothing more important, personally). I can only assume
> you're aligning yourself with extremist sects like Al-Jabariyah, who deny
> there is any free agency for mankind at all. That's probably does suit your
> agenda, so I can see why you're drawn to it. It's hardly objective, though;
> more like pick 'n mix theology or, from some perspectives, free-wheeling
> apostasy.
>
{snicker} The concept of agency is not extremist, certainly not in
light of the evidence of the space-time continuum, which must contain
ALL events.
> > And, besides, the 'appearance' of free
> > will DOES exist.
>
> Is anyone else troubled by the idea of a prankster God? :)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qmglGWMsdk
>
> Ian
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