" The Kafir refuses to accept that the will of Allah rules. Iman is a realisation that the will of Allah is what governs all."
I can't write this without calling for Fran's attention. The Question to you, Pat : But what is the will of Allah ? Is it history, as we know ? ... as we understand on our own ? ... as we learn in scientific theories and models ? ... as we feel ? ... as in folk lore ? ... as in myths ? ... as in ideas advanced by other individuals, good, bad, ugly, saintly, religious, knowledgeable , prophet like ? ... WHAT is the will of Allah ? WHO knows ? WHY should I believe it, since my own ( good ) sense says otherwise ? All this, especially since you agree that NOT ONE of us here have an access to future ! Even Jesus is reported to have observed : Not I. Only my Father knows. On Jan 21, 5:40 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > On 20 Jan, 19:19, Ian Pollard <[email protected]> wrote: > > > 2010/1/20 Pat <[email protected]> > > > > Not in the Qur'an it's not. > > > Pat, > > > In the Qu'ran, Eeman and Kufr are a matter of free will for humanity. > > Rather they are a matter of realisation. The Kafir refuses to accept > that the will of Allah rules. Iman is a realisation that the will of > Allah is what governs all. Realisations 'occur' to people, you don't > choose them. Have you never had a thought 'occur' to you? If you > have, what choice did you have IN that occurrance? Try looking into > Qadar/Qadr, i.e., kismet. In the Qur'an, it is clearly stated that > Allah is the Creator of all things. Do you not think that includes > your 'supposed' will? > > >On > > that principle, I believe almost all denominations of Muslims *do* agree > > (and I can think of nothing more important, personally). I can only assume > > you're aligning yourself with extremist sects like Al-Jabariyah, who deny > > there is any free agency for mankind at all. That's probably does suit your > > agenda, so I can see why you're drawn to it. It's hardly objective, though; > > more like pick 'n mix theology or, from some perspectives, free-wheeling > > apostasy. > > {snicker} The concept of agency is not extremist, certainly not in > light of the evidence of the space-time continuum, which must contain > ALL events. > > > > > > And, besides, the 'appearance' of free > > > will DOES exist. > > > Is anyone else troubled by the idea of a prankster God? :) > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qmglGWMsdk > > > Ian
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