Switching language doesn't change what is, Pat. It's an escapist strategy which helps to soothe your mind. Hope you are making progress with you migraine problem. I have.
On Apr 12, 2:14 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > On 1 Apr, 17:06, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I am completely at a loss as to how you have interpreted two good > > people dying for being apostates reflects well on islam. It is nearly > > unique to islam that women are punished (often to death) for their own > > rapes. > > Au contraire! Women in the West are punished by having to face them > and relive the experience in trial, and THEN, quite often, having the > perp set free. Sometimes, due to a complete lack of belief in justice > for a rape victim, the woman just doesn't bother reporting it, as it's > so hard to get a conviction. Punishment comes in many forms. What > you did, by helping the woman was admirable and, by Islamic terms, a > good Islamic act. Do you have trouble with THAT? > > > On Apr 1, 6:20 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 28 Mar, 00:20, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I've been terribly busy lately. > > > > > An interesting moment happened lately. A woman that I ran logistics on > > > > for her escape from Palestine insisted on thanking me... I hope that > > > > never happens again... > > > > She didn't speak English and her translator ( provided by the sponsor > > > > I'd arranged here as well as get her trunk space out of palestine) was > > > > almost fawning... ecckkk > > > > I much prefer my charity to be unknown to it's recipients... > > > > She escaped islam in Palestine and I'm very glad to help. Rather than > > > > be slaughtered for "dishonouring" her daddy by being raped by her > > > > daddy and her brothers (yes that still happens daily in islamic > > > > countries) she chose to leave and I helped organise her escape. > > > > It's not just limited to Islamic countries. It happens > > > everywhere...daily, I'm afraid. > > > > >Two > > > > people I knew were killed in the operation, one because he was an > > > > apostate and the other for being with him. Yes, both are a crime > > > > punishable by death according to islam. > > > > Yup, so there's the defense for Islam. The actions she was escaping > > > from were NOT Islamic, they were practiced by people who hapened to be > > > muslims. I applaud your actions in saving her!! > > > > > I asked whether or not she would remain true to life and love,c > > > > forgoing the cult of murder and death that I helped her escape. > > > > It wasn't Islam that she was escaping from but a horrible family. > > > Even you stated above that the practices were punishable by death in > > > Islam, therefore, you cannot blame Islam--it does NOT promote those > > > actions, in fact, quite the opposite. > > > > >She > > > > attempted to adjust a head covering that no longer hid her beautiful > > > > hair. Looking sheepish, she responded that : "No matter how I may miss > > > > what I had [family], I can actually look myself in the mirror without > > > > bruises." > > > > > This may seem silly to some of you, but please -just once in a while- > > > > put yourself in the place of these women that enjoy 'around the clock' > > > > physical, emotional, and mental abuse. No woman deserves islam. > > > > No woman deserves rape and incest. Islam has NOTHING to do with what > > > happened to her. Even YOU stated that above. > > > > > To lee: > > > > I find such a fault in your idea that evil need exist for free choice > > > > to exist... > > > > > So, according to you, A man need be able to rape in order to choose > > > > love? > > > > > Your god (i draw this from your comments) HAD to create evil in order > > > > to give us free will. > > > > > That's a really sick and disgusting concept. > > > > > Your god: " here people! Eat this delicious and poisonously deadly > > > > chocolate cake!... or ... you know... you could have this little > > > > tasteless wafer of good...." > > > > > Any other loving parent: "here's an apple, an orange, a cookie, or > > > > leftovers... johnnie! get away from the poisoned rat-trap!" > > > > > Your concept is based on a ridiculous idea that there is only good vs. > > > > evil, and that any choice must be between the two. If your god > > > > existed, he could have given us such a variety of choice and > > > > experience that it would boggle a human mind... without "evil" > > > > entering the equation. Evil is a human concept and so is the silly god- > > > > myth. We have the capacity for being nice and for not being nice. No > > > > god needed. > > > > > My children have the free will to choose between oranges and apples > > > > every single day, that is free choice. It is only a sick little > > > > Canaanite separatist movement's god from around 300 b.c.e. that says > > > > each child must choose between eternal damnation and slavery to their > > > > daddy. > > > > Glad you couldn't attack my views. ;-) Good and evil are simply > > > perceptions. What really exists is a spectrum of events and we place > > > events on that spectrum based on our perceptions OF those events. > > > Good and evil are creations of our perceptions and, if we were > > > omniscient, we would know the truth of it. Heck, even I know the > > > truth of it and am FAR from omniscient. Anyway, I applaud your > > > helping her and what you did was, by far, a VERY Islamic act, as > > > Islam, when practiced PROPERLY, fights oppression. And your act > > > fought the oppression that this woman was suffering. Good for you!! > > > > Although, I do take issue with your assumption that you or your > > > children have free will, as that was thrown into the rubbish bin by > > > Special Relativity. It's been 105 years since Special Relativity blew > > > apart the false belief in free will by establishing that space and > > > time are part of a larger continuum that comprises them both, when > > > will humanity realise that?- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
