Interesting question on the father's responsibility to the son. My thoughts are yes, the father is ultimately responsible for his child's actions right up until his son is a legal adult. Of course, legally this isn't so but morally I think it is. I see my son's failures as a reflection of my own. Why didn't I teach him to control his anger better? Why didn't I punish him more harshly to teach him consequences before the law did? Why didn't I have more patience with him and spend more time with him to mold him into a better human being? His shortcomings are mine as well. Only magnified.
I can't force him to do anything but I could have put more time and effort into making sure he understood how I felt and why I want him to act a certain way. I'm retroactively trying that now and it's a hard slog; let me tell you. It's best if you get them when they're young. They're much easier to program. dj On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 7:25 AM, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > Yo Fidds. > > Did I say that? Nope I don't think I did say that at all matey. > > Is that how you took my actual words? > > Remind me where you get such Ideas Fidds? > > Looking at your words I can only assume I made some comment along the > lines of 'evil exists as a consequence of God granting us free will'. > Probably we where mulling ove that old chestnut, Why would a loving > God allow evil? I probably said something along the lines of what I > have typed above here, and I may have additionaly said something like > 'man does evil, and this is a free choice of mankind' > > Although I can't really remember now. > > Fidds, would you say that the father who fails to clamp down on his > unruley son, and instead allows his son to make the mistakes that he > will and thus face the consequences of his actions can be blammed for > the misdeeds of his son? > > Or put another way. Is the father who refuses to make a slave of his > son and instead alllows his son to 'think' for himself, then > blamewhorthy if his son turns out to be a little shit? > > As to the rest, rubbish I'm afraid my man. Say what you want to say > about God, it don't bother me, make the mistaken assumption that all > of your harsh words towards the Christain concept of God matter, I'm > not Christian. > > As to my ridiculous idea, what do you mean? Morality is all about > doing the right or the wrong thing, when engaged in a debate about > morality, then we must talk about both. Any fool realises that > morality is subjective, and as such may be viewed as black and white, > or several shades of grey by many people. Some of whom will swear > that what you see as white is in effect black, so what you are getting > on about I have no idea. > > On 28 Mar, 00:20, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > I've been terribly busy lately. > > > > An interesting moment happened lately. A woman that I ran logistics on > > for her escape from Palestine insisted on thanking me... I hope that > > never happens again... > > She didn't speak English and her translator ( provided by the sponsor > > I'd arranged here as well as get her trunk space out of palestine) was > > almost fawning... ecckkk > > I much prefer my charity to be unknown to it's recipients... > > She escaped islam in Palestine and I'm very glad to help. Rather than > > be slaughtered for "dishonouring" her daddy by being raped by her > > daddy and her brothers (yes that still happens daily in islamic > > countries) she chose to leave and I helped organise her escape. Two > > people I knew were killed in the operation, one because he was an > > apostate and the other for being with him. Yes, both are a crime > > punishable by death according to islam. > > > > I asked whether or not she would remain true to life and love,c > > forgoing the cult of murder and death that I helped her escape. She > > attempted to adjust a head covering that no longer hid her beautiful > > hair. Looking sheepish, she responded that : "No matter how I may miss > > what I had [family], I can actually look myself in the mirror without > > bruises." > > > > This may seem silly to some of you, but please -just once in a while- > > put yourself in the place of these women that enjoy 'around the clock' > > physical, emotional, and mental abuse. No woman deserves islam. > > > > To lee: > > I find such a fault in your idea that evil need exist for free choice > > to exist... > > > > So, according to you, A man need be able to rape in order to choose > > love? > > > > Your god (i draw this from your comments) HAD to create evil in order > > to give us free will. > > > > That's a really sick and disgusting concept. > > > > Your god: " here people! Eat this delicious and poisonously deadly > > chocolate cake!... or ... you know... you could have this little > > tasteless wafer of good...." > > > > Any other loving parent: "here's an apple, an orange, a cookie, or > > leftovers... johnnie! get away from the poisoned rat-trap!" > > > > Your concept is based on a ridiculous idea that there is only good vs. > > evil, and that any choice must be between the two. If your god > > existed, he could have given us such a variety of choice and > > experience that it would boggle a human mind... without "evil" > > entering the equation. Evil is a human concept and so is the silly god- > > myth. We have the capacity for being nice and for not being nice. No > > god needed. > > > > My children have the free will to choose between oranges and apples > > every single day, that is free choice. It is only a sick little > > Canaanite separatist movement's god from around 300 b.c.e. that says > > each child must choose between eternal damnation and slavery to their > > daddy. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<minds-eye%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. 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