On 16 Apr, 16:46, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > I believe you that you think that it is good that we see the world > through different eyes, whereas I wish more people could see what the > speaker is saying rather than reproducing taught images and seeing > them mirrored. > > On 16 Apr., 15:05, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 16 Apr, 13:52, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Remain in your world of pain then, Pat, if this is what you choose to > > > do. > > > I'm not in a world of pain. Nice leading statement, though; kind of > > like: keep beating your wife. It's good that we see the world through > > different eyes, Gabby; it's one(!) of those things that makes > > discussions possible. All choices or seeming choices aside. ;-) > > > > On Apr 16, 1:42 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 14 Apr, 11:12, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Switching language doesn't change what is, Pat. It's an escapist > > > > > strategy which helps to soothe your mind. Hope you are making progress > > > > > with you migraine problem. I have. > > > > > The acts, as Fiddler described them were NOT acts of Islam and even > > > > Fiddler acknowledged that. Yet he blamed, erroneously, the religion, > > > > rather than the individuals who 'purported' to be practitioners of > > > > said religion. He conflated the issues; I'm simply re-separating them > > > > according to the truth of the matters as he described, without the > > > > anti-religious fervour. What He did, by conflating the two, was > > > > Islamophobic and completely unfounded. Might as well blame Roman > > > > Catholicism or Christianity for the Holocaust, simply because the > > > > perpetrator(s) of the Holocaust CLAIMED to be practitioners of said > > > > faith. To state that Christianity is directly responsible for the > > > > Holocaust would NOT be particularly factual, yet no doubt, persuasive > > > > to those who have already condemned the believers of that faith. > > > > Rather, it would be Christophobic, if I can coin such a term. > > > > > > On Apr 12, 2:14 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > On 1 Apr, 17:06, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I am completely at a loss as to how you have interpreted two good > > > > > > > people dying for being apostates reflects well on islam. It is > > > > > > > nearly > > > > > > > unique to islam that women are punished (often to death) for > > > > > > > their own > > > > > > > rapes. > > > > > > > Au contraire! Women in the West are punished by having to face them > > > > > > and relive the experience in trial, and THEN, quite often, having > > > > > > the > > > > > > perp set free. Sometimes, due to a complete lack of belief in > > > > > > justice > > > > > > for a rape victim, the woman just doesn't bother reporting it, as > > > > > > it's > > > > > > so hard to get a conviction. Punishment comes in many forms. What > > > > > > you did, by helping the woman was admirable and, by Islamic terms, a > > > > > > good Islamic act. Do you have trouble with THAT? > > > > > > > > On Apr 1, 6:20 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On 28 Mar, 00:20, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I've been terribly busy lately. > > > > > > > > > > An interesting moment happened lately. A woman that I ran > > > > > > > > > logistics on > > > > > > > > > for her escape from Palestine insisted on thanking me... I > > > > > > > > > hope that > > > > > > > > > never happens again... > > > > > > > > > She didn't speak English and her translator ( provided by the > > > > > > > > > sponsor > > > > > > > > > I'd arranged here as well as get her trunk space out of > > > > > > > > > palestine) was > > > > > > > > > almost fawning... ecckkk;> > > > > > > > I > > much prefer my charity to be unknown to it's recipients... >
According to the hierarchy of charity in Judaism, that's the highest form; so, it would appear, then, that you've discerned correctly. At least according to Judaism. > > > > > > > > > > > She escapedislamm in Palestine and I'm very glad to help. > > > > > > > > > Rather than > > > > > > > > > be slaughtered for "dishonouring" her daddy by being raped by > > > > > > > > > her > > > > > > > > > daddy and her brothers (yes that still happens daily > > > > > > > > > inislamicc > > > > > > > > > countries) she chose to leave and I helped organise her > > > > > > > > > escape. > > > > > > > > > It's not just limited to Islamic countries. It happens > > > > > > > > everywhere...daily, I'm afraid. > > > > > > > > > >Two > > > > > > > > > people I knew were killed in the operation, one because he > > > > > > > > > was an > > > > > > > > > apostate and the other for being with him. Yes, both are a > > > > > > > > > crime > > > > > > > > > punishable by death according toislamm. > > > > > > > > > Yup, so there's the defense for Islam. The actions she was > > > > > > > > escaping > > > > > > > > from were NOT Islamic, they were practiced by people > > > > > > > > whohapenedd to be > > > > > > > >muslimss. I applaud your actions in saving her!! > > > > > > > > > > I asked whether or not she would remain true to life and > > > > > > > > > love,c > > > > > > > > > forgoing the cult of murder and death that I helped her > > > > > > > > > escape. > > > > > > > > > It wasn't Islam that she was escaping from but a horrible > > > > > > > > family. > > > > > > > > Even you stated above that the practices were punishable by > > > > > > > > death in > > > > > > > > Islam, therefore, you cannot blame Islam--it does NOT promote > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > actions, in fact, quite the opposite. > > > > > > > > > >She > > > > > > > > > attempted to adjust a head covering that no longer hid her > > > > > > > > > beautiful > > > > > > > > > hair. Looking sheepish, she responded that : "No matter how I > > > > > > > > > may miss > > > > > > > > > what I had [family], I can actually look myself in the mirror > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > bruises." > > > > > > > > > > This may seem silly to some of you, but please -just once in > > > > > > > > > a while- > > > > > > > > > put yourself in the place of these women that enjoy 'around > > > > > > > > > the clock' > > > > > > > > > physical, emotional, and mental abuse. No woman > > > > > > > > > deservesislamm. > > > > > > > > > No woman deserves rape and incest. Islam has NOTHING to do > > > > > > > > with what > > > > > > > > happened to her. Even YOU stated that above. > > > > > > > > > > To lee: > > > > > > > > > I find such a fault in your idea that evil need exist for > > > > > > > > > free choice > > > > > > > > > to exist... > > > > > > > > > > So, according to you, A man need be able to rape in order to > > > > > > > > > choose > > > > > > > > > love? > > > > > > > > > > Your god (i draw this from your comments) HAD to create evil > > > > > > > > > in order > > > > > > > > > to give us free will. > > > > > > > > > > That's a really sick and disgusting concept. > > > > > > > > > > Your god: " here people! Eat this delicious and poisonously > > > > > > > > > deadly > > > > > > > > > chocolate cake!... or ... you know... you could have this > > > > > > > > > little > > > > > > > > > tasteless wafer of good...." > > > > > > > > > > Any other loving parent: "here's an apple, an orange, a > > > > > > > > > cookie, or > > > > > > > > > leftovers...johnniee! get away from the poisoned rat-trap!" > > > > > > > > > > Your concept is based on a ridiculous idea that there is only > > > > > > > > > good vs. > > > > > > > > > evil, and that any choice must be between the two. If your god > > > > > > > > > existed, he could have given us such a variety of choice and > > > > > > > > > experience that it would boggle a human mind... without "evil" > > > > > > > > > entering the equation. Evil is a human concept and so is the > > > > > > > > > silly god- > > > > > > > > > myth. We have the capacity for being nice and for not being > > > > > > > > > nice. No > > > > > > > > > god needed. > > > > > > > > > > My children have the free will to choose between oranges and > > > > > > > > > apples > > > > > > > > > every single day, that is free choice. It is only a sick > > > > > > > > > little > > > > > > > > > Canaanite separatist movement's god from around 300 b.c.e. > > > > > > > > > that says > > > > > > > > > each child must choose between eternal damnation and slavery > > > > > > > > > to their > > > > > > > > > daddy. > > > > > > > > > Glad you couldn't attack my views. ;-) Good and evil are > > > > > > > > simply > > > > > > > > perceptions. What really exists is a spectrum of events and we > > > > > > > > place > > > > > > > > events on that spectrum based on our perceptions OF those > > > > > > > > events. > > > > > > > > Good and evil are creations of our perceptions and, if we were > > > > > > > > omniscient, we would know the truth of it. Heck, even I know > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > truth of it and am FAR from omniscient. Anyway, I applaud your > > > > > > > > helping her and what you did was, by far, a VERY Islamic act, as > > > > > > > > Islam, when practiced PROPERLY, fights oppression. And your act > > > > > > > > fought the oppression that this woman was suffering. Good for > > > > > > > > you!! > > > > > > > > > Although, I do take issue with your assumption that you or your > > > > > > > > children have free will, as that was thrown into the rubbish > > > > > > > > bin by > > > > > > > > Special Relativity. It's been 105 years since Special > > > > > > > > Relativity blew > > > > > > > > apart the false belief in free will by establishing that space > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > time are part of a larger continuum that comprises them both, > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > will humanity realise that?- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > [email protected]. > > > > For more options, visit this group > > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > > ""Minds Eye"" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > [email protected]. > > > For more options, visit this group > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.-Hidequoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > ""Minds Eye"" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]. > > For more options, visit this group > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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