On 26 Apr, 22:48, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi everybody! > This thread for me is just great, as it seems to describe God in a way > that even the atheist may accept and it is more or less just as I see > God. Just to say my own personal views I am going to describe my God > for you thus: > God may well be the positive-life-energy that exists in the whole > universe; therefore, God is life and life is God himself and one > cannot exist without the other. We should believe in God, because if > God is not there, there is no life and we are all dead. What do you > think? Do you think I maybe right about it? > My regards to everyone > Manfraco >
Well, it's a bit more complicated than that. If we equate energy (be that positive or negative or matter/antimatter) with 'the substance of God', that is, the 'stuff' that God is made of, then everything that exists is made of that God-originating substance. That is my view on it. If we deny that energy exists, we're idiots, because it does. The question is: Is that energy somehow joined and, if so, how and where? These are the bases for my theory and I show how and where the energy is joined. Once that energy is 'unified' or, more precisely, shown to be undivided, then we can discuss that energy as a 'whole'. And that 'whole' is everywhere energy is, throughout all of space- time, therefore omnipresent. That energy is, because it is joined (or, rather, never divided in the first place!), only one entity made of energy. That entity is the only actor in the system and is, therefore, omnipotent. Irrespective of the exact mechanisms involved in consciousness, if there is only one, indivisible actor in the system, then ALL consciousness is retained by that entity, therefore, that entity is omniscient. Thus, the entity is omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient, fulfilling the three basic requirements for deity. That's how I get from describing a particular configuration of energy (which could be viewed in an atheistic fashion) yet it leads one to a deistic paradigm, once one has realised that 'the configuration that energy has taken' actually defines itself AS God by virtue of it maintaining the three required attributes of deity. > On Apr 26, 9:44 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > On 25 Apr, 16:38, [email protected] wrote: > > > > God may or may not be conscious. Some of us are conscious and we would > > > like to think that someone consciously designed us rather than to imagine > > > we may be designed by convergence not by conscious creation. If however, > > > However if indeed God is conscious - as some of us are conscious - then > > > we are able to make choices. The choices we cannot avoid making are those > > > choices that have to do with the necessity of solving problems of daily > > > living. The best choices are those that are derived from making informed > > > decisions. Informed decisions are derived from applying critical thinking > > > which also include contributions of the heart, and soul. > > > A God that is not conscious could not be omniscient. A God that is > > omniscient is not conscious in the same way that we are, as we are not > > omniscient. God cannot tire, as He is Omnipotent, therefore, He > > requires no rest, again, unlike our form of consciousness that > > requires rest. Whilst there are similarities, there are vast > > differences. Likeness is not equality, therefore, when it is said we > > are created in His likeness, do not expect that our existence is, in > > any way, equal to His. Rather, our existence is 'like' His in certain > > respects, but completely unlike in others. A careful consideration of > > the three qualities of omniscience, omnipotence and omnipresence (both > > transcendant and immanent) are required to make a proper analysis. > > The choices that we cannot avoid making are those that are events that > > are extant in the space-time continuum, all others simply will nor > > occur and you will never experience them. If you experience > > something, then you know that it was always a part of the continuum > > and you know (albeit after the fact!!) that it was necessary. > > > > The capability and the ability to make informed decisions also implies > > > the right and I think the responsibility of every person to dissent from > > > those opinions which are deemed ill informed. This means that whatever we > > > call God is not the final authority with respect to what is ultimately > > > considered to be in each persons best interest. > > > Rather, God is the final authority irrespective of our views OF said > > deity, by the necessity of the defining quality of omnipotence. > > Otherwise, you must assume that you have some authority that God does > > not and THAT is incompatible with omnipotence. > > > > The long winded point I am trying to make is that with respect to > > > whatever data is singled out - i.e. God, unity - consciousness - each > > > person brings something of himself (consciously or unconsciously) in > > > interpreting what those concepts means to him or her. Thus each person > > > ultimately is his own final authority. Thank God. > > > Nicely put, yet you will answer to an omnipotent entity--if, of > > course, said entity exists. But, its existence is NOT dependent upon > > our views, as our data is greatly lacking and His, of course, due to > > His omniscience, is full and complete down to the quantum state of the > > entire continuum. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: pol.science kid <[email protected]> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Sun, Apr 25, 2010 9:37 am > > > Subject: Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: God and I > > > > but they cannot survive in isolation can they... > > > > On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 9:12 AM, RP <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Energy leads to action, God to consciousness. One is effort, the other > > > is knowledge. Body without consciousness is mud, Life without spirit > > > is incomprehensible. > > > > On Apr 24, 8:15 am, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > God is neither he nor she..pure energy thats all..and that is wat > > > > flows through every one of us..and will flow after our time is > > > > done..we are it.. it is us... > > > > > On Apr 21, 9:23 am, RP <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > God is pure consciousness, formless, unborn, eternal, indestructible > > > > > and the source, the spirit and the end of all. We are conscious, have > > > > > a form, are born, live and die. Our only solace is that we arise from > > > > > him, are upheld by him and go back to him. 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