God is not made of any substance or energy, rather everything emanates from him. He is above all attributes and the source of all.
On Apr 27, 4:50 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > On 26 Apr, 22:48, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi everybody! > > This thread for me is just great, as it seems to describe God in a way > > that even the atheist may accept and it is more or less just as I see > > God. Just to say my own personal views I am going to describe my God > > for you thus: > > God may well be the positive-life-energy that exists in the whole > > universe; therefore, God is life and life is God himself and one > > cannot exist without the other. We should believe in God, because if > > God is not there, there is no life and we are all dead. What do you > > think? Do you think I maybe right about it? > > My regards to everyone > > Manfraco > > Well, it's a bit more complicated than that. If we equate energy (be > that positive or negative or matter/antimatter) with 'the substance of > God', that is, the 'stuff' that God is made of, then everything that > exists is made of that God-originating substance. That is my view on > it. If we deny that energy exists, we're idiots, because it does. > The question is: Is that energy somehow joined and, if so, how and > where? These are the bases for my theory and I show how and where the > energy is joined. Once that energy is 'unified' or, more precisely, > shown to be undivided, then we can discuss that energy as a 'whole'. > And that 'whole' is everywhere energy is, throughout all of space- > time, therefore omnipresent. That energy is, because it is joined > (or, rather, never divided in the first place!), only one entity made > of energy. That entity is the only actor in the system and is, > therefore, omnipotent. Irrespective of the exact mechanisms involved > in consciousness, if there is only one, indivisible actor in the > system, then ALL consciousness is retained by that entity, therefore, > that entity is omniscient. Thus, the entity is omnipresent, > omnipotent and omniscient, fulfilling the three basic requirements for > deity. That's how I get from describing a particular configuration of > energy (which could be viewed in an atheistic fashion) yet it leads > one to a deistic paradigm, once one has realised that 'the > configuration that energy has taken' actually defines itself AS God by > virtue of it maintaining the three required attributes of deity. > > > > > > > On Apr 26, 9:44 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 25 Apr, 16:38, [email protected] wrote: > > > > > God may or may not be conscious. Some of us are conscious and we would > > > > like to think that someone consciously designed us rather than to > > > > imagine we may be designed by convergence not by conscious creation. If > > > > however, However if indeed God is conscious - as some of us are > > > > conscious - then we are able to make choices. The choices we cannot > > > > avoid making are those choices that have to do with the necessity of > > > > solving problems of daily living. The best choices are those that are > > > > derived from making informed decisions. Informed decisions are derived > > > > from applying critical thinking which also include contributions of the > > > > heart, and soul. > > > > A God that is not conscious could not be omniscient. A God that is > > > omniscient is not conscious in the same way that we are, as we are not > > > omniscient. God cannot tire, as He is Omnipotent, therefore, He > > > requires no rest, again, unlike our form of consciousness that > > > requires rest. Whilst there are similarities, there are vast > > > differences. Likeness is not equality, therefore, when it is said we > > > are created in His likeness, do not expect that our existence is, in > > > any way, equal to His. Rather, our existence is 'like' His in certain > > > respects, but completely unlike in others. A careful consideration of > > > the three qualities of omniscience, omnipotence and omnipresence (both > > > transcendant and immanent) are required to make a proper analysis. > > > The choices that we cannot avoid making are those that are events that > > > are extant in the space-time continuum, all others simply will nor > > > occur and you will never experience them. If you experience > > > something, then you know that it was always a part of the continuum > > > and you know (albeit after the fact!!) that it was necessary. > > > > > The capability and the ability to make informed decisions also implies > > > > the right and I think the responsibility of every person to dissent > > > > from those opinions which are deemed ill informed. This means that > > > > whatever we call God is not the final authority with respect to what is > > > > ultimately considered to be in each persons best interest. > > > > Rather, God is the final authority irrespective of our views OF said > > > deity, by the necessity of the defining quality of omnipotence. > > > Otherwise, you must assume that you have some authority that God does > > > not and THAT is incompatible with omnipotence. > > > > > The long winded point I am trying to make is that with respect to > > > > whatever data is singled out - i.e. God, unity - consciousness - each > > > > person brings something of himself (consciously or unconsciously) in > > > > interpreting what those concepts means to him or her. Thus each person > > > > ultimately is his own final authority. Thank God. > > > > Nicely put, yet you will answer to an omnipotent entity--if, of > > > course, said entity exists. But, its existence is NOT dependent upon > > > our views, as our data is greatly lacking and His, of course, due to > > > His omniscience, is full and complete down to the quantum state of the > > > entire continuum. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: pol.science kid <[email protected]> > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Sent: Sun, Apr 25, 2010 9:37 am > > > > Subject: Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: God and I > > > > > but they cannot survive in isolation can they... > > > > > On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 9:12 AM, RP <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Energy leads to action, God to consciousness. One is effort, the other > > > > is knowledge. Body without consciousness is mud, Life without spirit > > > > is incomprehensible. > > > > > On Apr 24, 8:15 am, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > God is neither he nor she..pure energy thats all..and that is wat > > > > > flows through every one of us..and will flow after our time is > > > > > done..we are it.. it is us... > > > > > > On Apr 21, 9:23 am, RP <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > God is pure consciousness, formless, unborn, eternal, indestructible > > > > > > and the source, the spirit and the end of all. We are conscious, > > > > > > have > > > > > > a form, are born, live and die. Our only solace is that we arise > > > > > > from > > > > > > him, are upheld by him and go back to him. 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